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We continue to agree: they are not the same. Particularly democratic socialism.
The cited research relied on national reported statistics in its methodology. North Korea just isn't a reliable source. Neither is China; which, by the way, is also classified as a socialist country. Further, the researchers normalised income, which radically altered the conclusion. Without doing that, the capitalist countries win by a country mile. You would have known that had you actually read the study you cited.
To defend my premise, I would like like to cite all former and current communist countries, including:
Korea, Democratic Peoples Rep. (North Korea)
Armenia
Azerbaijan
China
Georgia
Kazakhstan
Kyrgyzstan
Laos, Peoples Democratic Republic
Mongolia
Nepal
Tajikistan
Tibet
Uzbekistan
Vietnam
Armenia
Azerbaijan
China
Georgia
Kazakhstan
Kyrgyzstan
Laos, Peoples Democratic Republic
Mongolia
Nepal
Russia
Tajikistan
Tibet
Turkmenistan
Uzbekistan
Vietnam
Europe
Albania
Belarus
Bosnia & Herzegovina (Yugoslavia)
Bulgaria
Croatia (Yugoslavia)
Czech Republic (Czechoslovakia)
Estonia
Finland
Germany (German Democratic Republic)
Greece
Hungary
Latvia
Lithuania
Macedonia, FYR (Yugoslavia)
Moldova
Montenegro (Yugoslavia)
Poland
Romania
Serbia (Yugoslavia)
Slovakia (Czechoslovakia)
Slovenia (Yugoslavia)
Spain
Ukraine
Angola
Ethiopia
Mozambique
Colombia
Cuba
Nicaragua
Peru
Most of these countries are doing much better since eliminating communism. The data is irrefutable.
I literally cited global hunger rates. I encourage you to read my comments above to refresh your memory.
Global access to clean water has been trending up for more than a century.
Child deaths from pneumonia.
Diarrheal deaths in children.
Disease burden from communicable, maternal, neonatal & nutritional diseases.
I could do this all day, but you made the claim. Let's see some evidence that capitalist nations do worse than communist nations.
Once again, creating straw men. No one argued for killing anyone. Do you do his because your argument is weak? Does that normally work for you?
Does not exist in practice. Democratic socialists are people that believe that socialism can be achieved by winning within bourgeoise-democracy without revolution. They have been murdered by the bourgeoisie whenever they come close to that. I strongly suggest reading the Jakarta Method and also listening to Allende's last words broadcast via radio while the airforce were bombing the bridges as the US-backed coup raged around him.
Holy fucking shit you just called the US "democratic socialism"? We're done here. You are uneducated and completely out of your fucking mind and have no idea what any of these words mean. I'm not wasting my time anymore.
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