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[–] jordanlund 41 points 4 days ago (2 children)

"I think they’re way too obsessed with appealing to these very far-left social progressivism that’s very popular on college campuses."

The fuck?

[–] givesomefucks 25 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Context:

The focus groups — held immediately after the 2024 election and conducted by GBAO, a Democratic polling firm — featured three kinds of voters: young men in battleground states who voted for Biden in 2020 and Trump in 2024; voters in battleground states who voted for Biden in 2020 but didn’t vote at all in 2024; and voters in blue states who had previously voted for Democrats, a third party candidate or didn’t vote in 2020 but voted for Trump in 2024.

"I think what the Democratic elites and their politicians believe is often very different from what the average Democratic voter is,” said a Georgia man who voted for Biden in 2020 but Trump in 2024. “The elites that run the Democratic Party — I think they’re way too obsessed with appealing to these very far-left social progressivism that’s very popular on college campuses.”

The only way they could get people to complain about "social issues" is asking people that voted trump

The important parts (that they gloss over) is everyone is turned off by neoliberal elitism.

And courting Republicans won't work because of "social issues" meaning minority groups should be treated equally. That's non-negotiable for the bulk of the party voters, so it's not an option and it means courting republicans is pointless.

But I expect the DNC to ignore everything else and try to just move right on "social issues".

[–] TheDemonBuer 13 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The only way they could get people to complain about "social issues" is asking people that voted trump

Well, he won the election. If you want to find out why, you ask the people who voted for him, as well as people who didn't vote for either candidate.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

That’s their point though - somebody voting for trump is clearly not a rational actor, while those that didn’t vote at all would be easier to convince.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 4 days ago (2 children)

If you think they're not rational, then you'll have to appeal to those who you think aren't rational. If you want to win the election that is.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago

Honestly, I believe most people overestimate intellectual and conscious rationality. Among themselves and others. The rationalizing is usually there afterwards. To justify current emotions, actions and circumstances.

Self preservation, since one can't control much anyways. And one needs a somewhat coherent world view.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Sorry, I misread your comment.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago

What's do you think the point is?

[–] PP_BOY_ 0 points 4 days ago

Next Dem candidate is gonna pledge to staff her entire cabinet with Republicans and seek an endorsement from George Bush, don't you worry

[–] evenglow 15 points 4 days ago

“This weakness they see, [Democrats] not getting things done, not being able to actually fight for people — is something that needs to be figured out,” Russell said. “It might not be the message, it might be the policy. It might be something a little bit deeper that has to be addressed by the party.”

People see Democrat failure. They do not see Republican sabotage.