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Other commenters have already covered the you/thou thing, so to cover the printing press bit: that did happen, but with a different word. "Ye" as in "Ye Olde Village Inn" is the one. The "ye" here is "the", and it was pronounced as "the" too. It would have been spelled "ΓΎe" before, and in blackletter style (π±π₯π¦π° π°π±πΆπ©π’ π¬π£ π©π’π±π±π’π―π¦π«π€), "y" and "ΓΎ" looked awfully similar. If your press came from a country that didn't use the thorn - and many presses in Europe did - and therefore didn't have that character available, then you'd just use the y since they were close enough anyway
A similar thing happened with the letter yogh (Θ) in Scotland. It wasn't in most presses, but it looks close enough to a z, so just use a z, and now the name "Menzies" is spelled that way despite being pronounced "ming-iss"
That this "ye" is spelled the same way as the second person plural subject pronoun "ye" is a total coincidence
Wait, was βYe Olde β¦β really still pronounced βThe oldβ? Holy crap, why did nobody ever correct how stupid I am. I thought people just said things funny back then. Sigh
Stop. You are making some of the senseless things in English make sense. How Iβm I supposed to feel superior because my first language is read the way it is written? π©
That's the annoying part of English. How we got here is perfectly logical for the most part, and that does absolutely nothing to make any of it make sense.
Yesn't. Actually no.
The singular was thou for subject and thee for object and the plural was ye/you. In formal speech the plural was used and the subject pronoun was replaced by the object but I can't tell you in which order.
The ΓΎ-thing didn't effect the pronoun but some surnames and the article. I think some pubs have names like "ye old". They used to be "ΓΎe(=the) old" and have nothing to do with ΓΎe old pronoun, even tho it is written the same.
God rest ye merry gentleman is the "ye" example I like to think of.
Man Christmas dinner is gonna rock this year. Just like my mom will play dumb and look confused that I used "they" as a singular, I'm going to play dumb and look confused when she says "you". I see no downsides.
Thou was singular subject and thee was singular object.
https://activeenglishcee.blogspot.com/2020/10/thou-thee-thy-thine-ye-meanings-usage.html
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