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Teachers will be forced to tell parents that their child is questioning their gender even if the young person objects under new guidance for schools in England, the equalities minister has indicated.

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[–] MasterObee -5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

who said anything about therapists? Teachers are servants for the tax payers.

Therapists have a commitment to confidentiality in almost all circumstances.

[–] psysop 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Perhaps therapist was the wrong word. Many schools have health officers who act as emotional support staff that work with students.

I believe all educators have a duty to the well-being of the student ovet the parents. Students are people too, not a thing that parents own until they turn 18. They should be afforded confidentiality too.

[–] MasterObee -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Perhaps therapist was the wrong word. Many schools have health officers who act as emotional support staff that work with students.

If their job ethically requires a non disclosure factor, than that's more reasonable.

But even doctors, that have privacy requirements, have to share medical information with the kids guardians.

I believe all educators have a duty to the well-being of the student ovet the parents

I think this is a difference between how you see the teacher parent relationship and how I do.

I imagine you believe teachers should be nurturers of these kids and help facilitate their growth as human beings.

I see them as government agents, that are paid (and therefore should serve) by the taxpayers. The fact that taxpayers can overwhelmingly say they want/don't want something, and schools override them is the exact opposite of what I believe the role of public school educators should be. Responsible for teaching the basics of what we think important topics are for kids - generally math, sciences, social studies and literature.

Students are people too, not a thing that parents own until they turn 18.

If my 10 YO kid throws a rock at a window and payment is needed to replace it, who's responsible to pay for it?

Will the law go after his teacher? Go after him? No. They go after me. I'm responsible for them, and it seems that teachers want to nurture them, but take no responsibility if there's repercussions.

They should be afforded confidentiality too.

In everything? You don't think there's any scenario's which a teacher should tell the parents what their kids are doing at school?

[–] psysop 1 points 1 year ago

Hey sorry, I really wasn't looking for a long argument here, just wanted to clarify my earlier comment.

But yes, we have different viewpoints. I have kids. I would feel responsible for the window because it's my kid and that's reasonable and what society expects. If my kid wanted to talk to their teacher about something in private I'm ok with that.

They obviously won't share literally everything, but if my kids have a problem trusting me then I'm failing as a parent.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are they not there to serve their students, or do they only serve the parents?

[–] MasterObee -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They're government employees, paid by tax payers to educate their kids.

Yes, they're the ones being served, and the government and their employees have lost sight of that.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, at least you're honest about thinking children don't deserve to have anyone in power looking out for their interests when they conflict with their parents'.

[–] MasterObee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

children don’t deserve to have anyone in power looking out for their interests when they conflict with their parents’.

As I've said plenty of times, I'm for an increase in investment in programs to help youth that have these problems.

I'm against having teachers unilaterally determining that they should keep secrets with their students over providing transparency with the parents. With the taxpayers. With the people they are meant to serve.

Do you think our government should give us transparency, or not?

[–] feedum_sneedson 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

People are forgetting the existence of ideologically motivated teachers. I don't understand it.

[–] MasterObee 1 points 1 year ago

Even if it's not individual teachers, it's a government ran institution that they force us to provide our kids to for education. The least they could do is let us know what's going on in those 8 hours a day they take our kids.