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It isn't like O'Toole spoonfed the asylum and dipped when the asylum took over.
O'Toole is half the reason we have what we have.
O'Toole didn't want to piss off the far right viewpoint that was growing, Poilievre actively panders and encourages them.
Ever increasing tolerance of fascist ideas .... nationalism, victim identity, homophobia, racism and creating bogey men that are out to take over everything ... Enemies that are simultaneously powerful and must be stopped and weaker than their all powerful group
It's a party of idiots .... and when they're allowed to go to far .... behind a party of fear, control and destruction
It's like my FIL (an old guard Conservative member/voter) says: Poilievre just guarantees that we are stuck with Trudeau. He's a fucking hack.
The Cons gotta ditch the reform party shit, if they ever want to rule again. This isn't the United States, no matter how hard they are trying to make it so. It's time for a divorce to this messy marriage. 20 years ago, conservatives and Liberal leaders were just basically two bumbling different versions of each other, and everyone was generally satisfied in the mushy middle. But we went from there to here, and now we are stuck with this uneasy alliance between Jagmeet and Trudeau.
Which to be fair, has generally worked out fairly well for us, considering that the current state of the economy/inflation is a world wide trend and would be just as high under a conservative government (who also can't control the BoC and Monetary policy, no matter how hard they try to convince you otherwise). But our country has historically (arguably) benefited from both sides ruling at different times, it's just this new breed of conservatives are next level gross. Which also isn't helped by the fact that Trudeau is just pretty aggrevating in his manner, in the way he carries himself and how he talks to Joe Public as well. Which is a trait he shares with his father.
Yeah, I have a Grandpa in the same boat - older "conservative", but is disgusted by what the party has decided to embrace: climate change denialism, fear-mongering, rage-baiting, anti-LGBTQ, anti-science, weirdly pro-Russia for some reason? etc.
Not trying to view the past with rose-coloured glasses, but even looking at the past 10 years you can see and feel a sharp directional shift of the CPC towards regression.
I am a Liberal through and through, but it would honestly be refreshing if Conservatives just wanted to debate tax policy, spending, and free market economics instead of actively spreading misinformation and hate.
We need a sort of "internet enlightenment" era where we re-calibrate humanity back towards reason and empathy.
You need to go back a bit further than 10 years. The directional shift started with the Canadian Alliance, which was (my memory is a bit foggy here) 2001-2002 era. That forced a shotgun marriage between the reform party and the PC party to fight off the challenge. Even though the PC party members vastly outnumbered the Reformers, reform core influencers like Preston Manning and Stephen Harper quickly took advantage of said marriage from the ever growing steam the Alliance started to gather in that era, and well here we are. A bunch of weirdo alt right bullshit and populist anger.
I'm personally a lost soul. I voted liberal in the last election, but in all honesty I'm closest to a Red Tory of the 1990s, in that I believe in social liberalism (stuff like gay rights, entrenched women's rights and the rights to an abortion, etc.). But economically I'm a bit more on the conservative side, I'd say right smack dab in the centre honestly. But that's also hypocritical sometimes, because there's been Liberal finance ministers I've liked. Paul Martin did a good job in the early aughts, and I think the Trudeau government generally did the best anyone could have been expected to do through the COVID era. But I don't like my finances to get too loosy goosey. I'm a CPA, so I mean, I'm generally almost always going to be a bit more conservative than most when it comes to the economy and fiscal policy. But I also believe this country needs better consumer protections and needs to quit pandering to big business every single time, in every single fight. So yeah...
Yes, if you don't want to "piss off" the extremists in your wing, you are still fueling extremism. I don't care if you don't want polarization and want to work together, if Nazis feel comfortable in your presence, you are doing something wrong.
Three excellent points.
He ran for leader of the CPC twice. He was trounced as a moderate the first time. He learned to win you have to court the crazies to win, and he did. The problem is that once you're done, you have a bunch of backstabbing crazies in your tent.