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Ye Power Trippin' Bastards

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This is a community in the spirit of "Am I The Asshole" where people can post their own bans from lemmy or reddit or whatever and get some feedback from others whether the ban was justified or not.

Sometimes one just wants to be able to challenge the arguments some mod made and this could be the place for that.

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Expect to receive feedback about your posts, they might even be negative.

Make sure you follow this instance's code of conduct. In other words we won't allow bellyaching about being sanctioned for hate speech or bigotry.


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I said something along the lines of:

"Wow, I haven't had a reason to smile ear to ear in a while."

Along with

"Nah, the more dead ~~corpos~~ dragons, the better."

In response to some liberal going off about how violence is never the solution, not mentioning how this murdered dipshit has personally overseen a system that perpetuates harm, suffering and death (violence) in the name of profit.

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Good ole' civility clause.

Whats the paradox of tolerance?

.world mods have never heard of it I guess.

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[–] jordanlund 8 points 1 week ago (10 children)

The policy is happening at the lemmy.world level, not the individual mod level.

It's right there in the Terms of Service (which nobody actually ever reads):

https://legal.lemmy.world/tos/

"1. Attacks on users or groups 

Before using the website, remember you will be interacting with actual, real people and communities. Lemmy.World is not a place for you to attack other people or groups of people. Just because you disagree with someone doesn't give you the right to harass them. Discuss ideas and be critical of principles. Show the respect you desire to receive.

We do not tolerate threats of and calls for violence in any form against any living creature."

We faced the same problem in the Politics community when Henry Kissinger died.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Hey look, it’s the shitty Zionist bootlicking mod themselves.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

We do not tolerate threats of and calls for violence in any form against any living creature.

So lemmy.world forbids discussion about hunting?

About fishing?

About organized industrial agriculture?

About austerity measures?

About prison systems?

About police?

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I'll give you that my comment about hoping more corpos die actually breaks those rules, but uh, I'm using lemmy on mobile, through an app.

It would be helpful to list this rule in the instance sidebar that mobile users can actually see.

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But anyway, this says nothing about celebrating or joking about a violence that has already happened.

Celebration and jokes, on their own, are not threats nor calls for violence.

If you wanna say that you're not allowed to celebrate or joke about violence that happened to a person or thing, without threatening or calling for further violence (like my smiling comment, and many other recently deleted for tos comments) it would probably be a good idea to actually have a rule for that.

... Also, can you harass or perpetuate violence against a dead person?

... Is it considered violence if you mock a dead person? Harassment?

[–] idiomaddict 15 points 1 week ago

Yeah, that’s some lib shit if I’ve ever seen it. There’s no reason to write the rules so narrowly, but if you do and you coincidentally only enforce it against people threatening power, you deserve the vegan police in your reports constantly.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 week ago (1 children)

But I’m not calling for violence. It already happened. And it’s not against something living, at least not anymore.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

A fox attacks a hen house.

Reporters: The foxes have been eating the hens for decades. Here's why that's good for the hens.

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The hens fight back

Reporters: looks like the hens are beginning to eat the foxes. The hens look angry, yet with a sense of joy about them.

Judges: straight to jail.

(Made a little edit for fun)

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago

living creature.

seems odd to remove posts with this rule, as the creature is already dead 🤔🤔

[–] BlitzoTheOisSilent 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Ok, challenge accepted: every instance I come across from .world that has any indication of violence against anything living, well, I'll be reporting that, and I expect the mods to follow up on it quickly.

I'll start with the gardening instances, since plants do feel pain, and thus any pruning/harvesting/etc is an act of violence, and I'm surprised the .world mods haven't shut down such a violent instance.

Wait, they need to be banned outright, actually, because in order to garden, users are going to have to suggest that people dig into the dirt, and that's a pretty blatant call of violence against all organisms, including those at the microscopic level.

Better delete the woodworking instance too, since the only way to work with wood is to kill a tree and dismember its body, often skinning it immediately after it's been sawed off at the knees, juuuuuuust fresh enough to feel all the pain but not enough to fight back.

What an absolute joke.

[–] FlyingSquid 2 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Many of us .world mods had nothing to do with these deletions and bannings and I would caution you against this sort of flag abuse in the communities I moderate. It looks like you have already started.

If you have an issue with what happened with the mods in c/news, don't take it out on the rest of us.

We hardly ever even delete comments in Ten Forward, let alone ban people.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Ooooh, he cautions us. How scary. I’m shivering in my bunny slippers here.

[–] FlyingSquid -1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Cool. And if you do what this person did in communities I moderate, you will be banned just like they are. And if you were uncivil to someone like this in a community I moderated, the comment would be deleted.

So if you prefer "this is a fact" to "I caution you," go with that. I was trying to be nicer about it.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Or you could clarify your instance wide rules, which were apparently the justification for deleting a lot of what just got deleted?

I'm not gonna go around report flagging everything, I'm not that petty, and I don't know who's in charge of instance wide vs community specific rules, but maybe the core lemmy admin/mod crew should all actually clarify that you're not allowed to joke about or celebrate people's deaths, and that you don't actually mean that any threat of violence toward any living thing is actually against TOS.

[–] FlyingSquid 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

How are they my rules? Do you think I wrote them? Do you think I'm even an admin?

I can't clarify shit about what I didn't write and had no input on.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Sorry, I realized that and edited my post, but you replied very quickly.

I do not mean to call you out personally.

Point I'm trying to make is:

It would be cool if whoever is in charge of the instance wide rules made those rules actually reflect the kinds of 'violations' that are enforced, when those rules are specifically, and largely nonsensically, cited as explaining how and why certain comments are violations.

[–] lemonmelon 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

It's not flag abuse. It's clearly written in the instance TOS.

"We do not tolerate threats of and calls for violence in any form against any living creature."

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[–] BlitzoTheOisSilent 1 points 1 week ago (14 children)

I reported things that belong to the .world instance, and therefore fall under the .world rules under the .world Terms of Service we all agreed to.

I have nothing against you or your community, and hope you're doing well healthwise.

But I've also seen you rail against "not all cops are bad" as the lie you know it is in various comment sections, and now you're using the same excuse as to why your forum shouldn't be criticized. "We're not part of that, bring it up with them, even though we belong to the same org."

The rules apply to all of the forums on the instance, or it should apply to none of them. And if such radical thinking, the notion rules should be applied evenly and not be so broad to allow anything to meet the definition, results in me being banned from .world, then I welcome it.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago

Policy isn't the problem, it's the biased and overzealous enforcement.

I can't see which mod is doing it in the modlog, but just a quick glance found 5 removed comments that don't break any (visible) rules.

[–] frostysauce 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

We do not tolerate threats of and calls for violence in any form against any living creature.

Oh, you can fuck right off with that bullshit. I'm going to go swat the fly buzzing around in my kitchen and I hope that others will join me in swatting flies and even squishing ants in our houses.

...See what an idiotic policy that is?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

kill every single bot fly.

[–] njm1314 14 points 1 week ago (3 children)

You ever notice that you only circle the wagons to defend the worst? Always seem to go out of your way to do it too. I don't see any threats in that picture. Nothing that even could be reasonably called a threat. Yet up pops Jordan to save the day. Almost like clockwork.

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[–] shalafi 11 points 1 week ago

Calls for violence? Like the 3,473 daily posts about guillotining billionaires?

Any way, I'm glad he's dead.

[–] givesomefucks 7 points 1 week ago

We do not tolerate threats of and calls for violence in any form against any living creature."

Modlogs are public...

They're being waaaaay stricter than that.