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This is true, but only because every President since FDR did damage to the working class. Biden was absolutely a breath of fresh air, and it's unfortunate that neither he nor Kamala were loud enough about it.
With the campaign Kamala ran, it would surprise the hell out of me if most voters understood the good that Biden did. To average people, it makes no difference to them that inflation is back to normal when the price impacts don't go away. It was campaign malpractice to try and sit on past accomplishments without offering new initiatives to make things better.
What Kamala offered was too little, too complicated, and too quiet. All voters heard was that she would be the same as Biden, and that CEOs and neocon warmongers love her.
The price impacts were never going to go away! It infuriates me that people were dumb enough to believe this! It's not how economics works and it's not something the government can control!!!
It's totally irrelevant whether or not these voters understand the underlying economics. What they know is that they can't afford to make a car payment and buy groceries anymore, and they know that the Democratic messaging is totally inadequate and out of touch. If your political strategy requires voters to understand the underlying economics realities, then you damn well better be telling them what they should know.
What IS relevant is that the public couldn't tell Trump and the Republicans were lying to them. It's easy to tell people what they want to hear if you never intend to follow through.
Relevant to what? Kamala is running around with neocon warmongers and trying gaslight everyone about an ongoing genocide.
Generally speaking, most lies in politics aren't disingenuous campaign promises. Trump is a special boy, but Republicans and Democrats are both usually pretty good at actually trying to fulfill campaign promises. The actual lies are mostly gaslighting about the motivations and ultimate aims of those policies. Republicans run on tax cuts and deregulation, and that's exactly what they do in office. Trump actually does hate black and brown people and really plans to do mass deportations and insane tariffs.
Every interview with Harris felt like a stump speech. It was all carefully parsed corporate language that said almost nothing and came across as completely disingenuous. Meanwhile, Trump went off the cuff (and arguably the rails) in every interview, and that just codes as being more genuine.
That's the disease if Democratic political consultancy. They parse up the demographics, figure out what each group does or doesn't want to hear, then compute the perfect path to victory. It sounds reasonable, but requires extreme message discipline to pull off. The problem is that very few politicians can pull that off without coming off as manipulative. Obama was one of the few that could pull it off. Biden came close. Kamala wasn't even in the right ballpark.
I don't think the Democratic candidate mattered at all. Trump is a psychopath. Any sane adult should have beaten him. Harris wasn't any different than Biden and he beat Trump. Something else happened. Misinformation, foreign interference, and disenfranchisement lost the election.
I agree, but I also think the Democrats could have run a candidate that did matter. Harris was just another useless establishment clone.
If they had done that, they would have lost just the same and people would be complaining that they didn't run someone more mainstream.
That's a pretty pathetic attitude.
Sometimes you're going to lose no matter what you do.
Sometimes. Not this time. Harris didn't come within a thousand miles of running a campaign that would support that.
I've yet to hear any name that can be convincingly argued to have been able to beat Trump.
That's why you have real primaries. I'd bet Wallz could have won at the top of the ticket. Any Democrat with a scrap of charisma and an anti-establishment vibe could have done it. It was Harris's ties to Biden that did her in more than anything else.
Did you watch the VP debate? Walz could never have pulled it off. Nobody could have, short of maybe someone like John Stewart. The people wanted lies, not the truth.
I think Walz in a Walz campaign and Walz in a Harris campaign are two very different things. Walz in that debate was playing the message discipline game and pulling his punches because of it
Any campaign needs message discipline. Even Trump has it in his own way.
Are you saying Donald Trump was unbeatable in 2024? Nothing Dems did would've mattered?
No candidate would have mattered once Biden stayed in as long as he did.
Probably.
I always believe that a candidate of the genuine left, pushing things most people want and need — universal health care, breaking up giant corporations, enthusiastic tax increases for billionaires, complete medical and student debt forgiveness, patching the pathetic safety net that barely exists for the unemployed, the sick, the disabled, etc— would win by two touchdowns. But I don't know who that candidate would've been in 2024, and the question is moot because Democrats would never nominate a leftist.
As great as that candidate would be, they wouldn't accomplish any of that. We need to move the house and senate to the left before any president like that would actually make a difference.
If you're not happy that the price of everything went up while your wages didn't, you're stupid as fuck and you don't know how anything works! Vote for us, moron!
If you didn't realize that things were worse in every other modernized nation and that US policy avoided this, then you are pretty ignorant.
Shut up and be happy that you can't afford groceries, peasant!
It simply isn't realistic to expect a golden pony when the economy was mostly shut down for the past year and change.
Then don't say it's good when it ain't.
All I'm saying is people need to have realistic expectations. Nobody could magically reverse things so it's like Covid never happened and lower prices on top of that.
No. You're saying that people who can't afford groceries should be ecstatic about being lied to that they're doing fine.
And then belittling anyone who says that things ain't as great as you're claiming by pretending that they're expecting the impossible when they just want their own party to accept the reality that they're not doing well. Which I guess since that party is Democrats, is asking the impossible. After all, everything's perfect at all times when Democrats are in office and if your lying pocketbook tells you otherwise, it's only because you want Trump to win.
We aren't doing fine, but we are doing as well as can realistically be expected. There is nowhere on the planet that isn't struggling right now. Food insecurity is up everywhere. Cost of living is up everywhere. The global economy is still recovering from Covid and nobody can fix that with a snap of their fingers. It will just take time.
Democrats didn't seem to think so during the last election cycle.
Gee. If only someone had the opportunity to raise the minimum wage during the past 4 years.
We shoveled a fuckton of money at people who were already rich. The global economy is working just fine for everyone the two major parties actually give a shit about.
By everywhere I mean other countries.
Get out of here with that "both parties are the same" shit. It only helps Trump.
HE'S NEVER RUNNING AGAIN. You just don't want criticism of how Democrats represent the same interests as Republicans.
I wish I had the faith in Trump following the Constitution that you do. Democrats and Republicans are not the same. If you disagree, try talking to a woman who needs an abortion, a black man in jail for weed possession, or any LGBT person.
In order: Democrats thought the filibuster was more important than codifying Roe, Biden ran out the clock on purpose on rescheduling cannabis, and centrists in this last election cycle used right wing "boys in girls' sports" hatred in their own ads.
Both sides aren't the same, but they're converging, and I refuse to make or accept excuses for it.
They would be converging if the Republicans weren't moving even further right. They are literally rolling back civil rights legislation, weakening child labor laws, requiring public schools to teach the Bible, and want to deport citizens. Plus all the Project 2035 stuff.
That's just an excuse for chasing after them.
And Democrats look at that and see an opportunity to move right.
Sorry you're infuriated at the realities of life.
I remember what George Carlin used to say.