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It's totally irrelevant whether or not these voters understand the underlying economics. What they know is that they can't afford to make a car payment and buy groceries anymore, and they know that the Democratic messaging is totally inadequate and out of touch. If your political strategy requires voters to understand the underlying economics realities, then you damn well better be telling them what they should know.
What IS relevant is that the public couldn't tell Trump and the Republicans were lying to them. It's easy to tell people what they want to hear if you never intend to follow through.
Relevant to what? Kamala is running around with neocon warmongers and trying gaslight everyone about an ongoing genocide.
Generally speaking, most lies in politics aren't disingenuous campaign promises. Trump is a special boy, but Republicans and Democrats are both usually pretty good at actually trying to fulfill campaign promises. The actual lies are mostly gaslighting about the motivations and ultimate aims of those policies. Republicans run on tax cuts and deregulation, and that's exactly what they do in office. Trump actually does hate black and brown people and really plans to do mass deportations and insane tariffs.
Every interview with Harris felt like a stump speech. It was all carefully parsed corporate language that said almost nothing and came across as completely disingenuous. Meanwhile, Trump went off the cuff (and arguably the rails) in every interview, and that just codes as being more genuine.
That's the disease if Democratic political consultancy. They parse up the demographics, figure out what each group does or doesn't want to hear, then compute the perfect path to victory. It sounds reasonable, but requires extreme message discipline to pull off. The problem is that very few politicians can pull that off without coming off as manipulative. Obama was one of the few that could pull it off. Biden came close. Kamala wasn't even in the right ballpark.
I don't think the Democratic candidate mattered at all. Trump is a psychopath. Any sane adult should have beaten him. Harris wasn't any different than Biden and he beat Trump. Something else happened. Misinformation, foreign interference, and disenfranchisement lost the election.
I agree, but I also think the Democrats could have run a candidate that did matter. Harris was just another useless establishment clone.
If they had done that, they would have lost just the same and people would be complaining that they didn't run someone more mainstream.
That's a pretty pathetic attitude.
Sometimes you're going to lose no matter what you do.
Sometimes. Not this time. Harris didn't come within a thousand miles of running a campaign that would support that.
I've yet to hear any name that can be convincingly argued to have been able to beat Trump.
That's why you have real primaries. I'd bet Wallz could have won at the top of the ticket. Any Democrat with a scrap of charisma and an anti-establishment vibe could have done it. It was Harris's ties to Biden that did her in more than anything else.
Did you watch the VP debate? Walz could never have pulled it off. Nobody could have, short of maybe someone like John Stewart. The people wanted lies, not the truth.
I think Walz in a Walz campaign and Walz in a Harris campaign are two very different things. Walz in that debate was playing the message discipline game and pulling his punches because of it
Any campaign needs message discipline. Even Trump has it in his own way.
Are you saying Donald Trump was unbeatable in 2024? Nothing Dems did would've mattered?
No candidate would have mattered once Biden stayed in as long as he did.
Probably.
I always believe that a candidate of the genuine left, pushing things most people want and need — universal health care, breaking up giant corporations, enthusiastic tax increases for billionaires, complete medical and student debt forgiveness, patching the pathetic safety net that barely exists for the unemployed, the sick, the disabled, etc— would win by two touchdowns. But I don't know who that candidate would've been in 2024, and the question is moot because Democrats would never nominate a leftist.
As great as that candidate would be, they wouldn't accomplish any of that. We need to move the house and senate to the left before any president like that would actually make a difference.