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[–] [email protected] 162 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (25 children)

huh, we wasn't cynically posturing for election purposes, he really wants to die on this hill :/

[–] Diplomjodler3 87 points 4 days ago (10 children)
[–] Kyrgizion 58 points 4 days ago (4 children)

He'll not be remembered kindly by history for this. Even if he was objectively decent president.

[–] Maggoty 8 points 3 days ago

You can't be an objectively decent leader if you materially support a Genocide while the entire world pleads with you to stop doing so.

[–] Diplomjodler3 24 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Sad but true. I really don't understand why he is so adamant in his support for Netanyahu.

[–] Viking_Hippie 41 points 4 days ago

Because he's a true believer who's drunk the Zionism kool-aid.

Plus it probably helps that he's received more money from AIPAC throughout his political career than his current net worth.

[–] pachrist 11 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Because it's self serving.

If Bibi is a war criminal for leveraging an admittedly horrible terrorist attack to commit horrendous atrocities, so is Joe Biden.

What the US did in the 2 decades post 9/11 is no better or worse than what Israel is doing now. Accountability for one means accountability for the other, and Biden doesn't want to be held accountable.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 days ago

What the US did in Iraq and Afghanistan was wrong, no doubt. There's a lot of reasons for that, ranging from who was actually responsible for 9/11 to all the actual violence between the civilians and soldiers. But systematic extermination is NOT one of those reasons. What Israel is doing in Gaza is 1000x worse. Equating it to how the US conducted its affairs minimizes what's actually happening, muddying the water and keeping people from feeling like they should actually be doing anything about it.

[–] Maggoty 6 points 3 days ago

No, the only common point is the use of military force. How that force was and is used is on a completely different scale. America managed to do the Iraq war with an order of magnitude less civilian casualties when looked at proportionally. (Iraq is a much larger combat area with much larger demographics involved for both sides and civilians)

America also left Iraq with it's own government and crucially, it respected Iraq's wishes when they said to stop operating inside Iraq. In Afghanistan we even left because the Taliban told Trump to leave, regardless of the Afghan National Government's stance on it and popular position of the people. Comparing that to starvation as a weapon, hollowing out civil services, and striking IDP camps with large munitions is just ridiculous.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago

He will be remembered like silent Cal, except instead of doing to little to combat the oncoming great depression, it will be doing to little to prevent fascism.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago

Even if he was objectively decent president.

umm.. what ? how does burning kids alive makes him a decent president ? “lesser evil” yeah sure, but decent ?

i am even ignoring the pathetic state of working class rn and his incompetence in dealing with fascists.

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