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Sanders and Warren push Democrats to fight for workers and ‘unrig’ economy
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Warren can go fuck herself, She was one of several that backed out of the 2020 race to kneecap Bernie Because he was projected to win the Democrat nomination. People like Warren fucked all of us.
FWIW she actually didn't back out with the moderate candidates before Super Tuesday. She did after splitting the progressive vote between her and Bernie, giving Biden the win.
I'm sorry but this is how I read your comment:
"How dare she run for President instead of letting the man take it."
Going into Super Tuesday when conveniently all the moderates dropped out in favor of biden, she stayed in the race despite having no path to win and the only reason was to split the progressive vote away from sanders as a spoiler to guarantee biden the nomination since sanders was giving him a run for his money.
Funny how liberal shills flip the fuck out about third party voting in the general working as a spoiler yet resort to bullshit identity politics when their own act as spoilers.
She along with the DNC ratfucked the primary and delivered us an ineffectual and detestable biden/Harris which directly led to trump being re-elected. Fuck her.
But yeah it’s totally misogyny for why we hate her, not the fact that she colluded with the dnc to fuck sanders over once again.
The democrats don’t give a fuck about fighting fascism. It’s all theatre to them.
Believe it or not, I share your anger toward the Democratic Party. I'm not registered Dem for that reason. I just don't care to limit my blame to one individual and say "oh well, that's the problem". Because the problem is way way bigger than that.
Sanders was never going to win against the establishment candidate. No progressive candidate will, possibly not in our lifetimes and so saying things like "the democrats don’t give a fuck about fighting fascism. It’s all theatre to them" is, quite honestly, pointless and not constructive. For one, we know that's not universally true. For another, what are you going to do about it, in practical terms?
Let's say that everything you state is true. What practical steps can you or I take to dislodge the DNC and put forth truly progressive candidates?
The answer to this question is precisely why, while I understand and share the anger, I don't feel shouting into the void and laying blame is a good use of time. Because ultimately there is no revolution. There is no wholesale transformation of the system that happens in a short period of time, no matter how much we want to shake our fists and protest.
The only way to loosen the grip of the establishment parties is frustratingly slow, very incremental change. And that means blaming the DNC or anyone in the DNC and saying "well fuck them, I'm never voting for a Dem again" is counter-productive.
The premise of this is false. Warren split the progressive vote away from sanders. The democrats ratfucked every primary that I can remember, they even tried to ratfuck 2008 in favor of Hillary but Obama was such a strong candidate that they failed.
You’re stuck in social democracy, I’m in direct action, unionization of the workplace and figuring out ways to undermine and overthrow capitalism. It’s only a matter of time before it collapses under its own weight but liberals and their apologists just throw their hands up and say it’s too hard. Electoralism does not work. Democracy died a long time ago, if it was ever really alive in this country.
I’m never voting democrat again. I don’t give a fuck.
"The premise of this is false. Warren split the progressive vote away from sanders. "
Prove it.
"I’m in direct action"
I too am very special.
Edit to add:
Do you know how long people have been saying capitalism will collapse "any day now". Do you know how many dictators have been elected by people like you simply because you didn't "give a fuck"?
What you are doing is throwing up your hands and saying it's too hard.
She was never polling to win, by every matrices Bernie was projected to win, but the oligarchy couldn't have a populist candidate win and preserve the status quo so they kneecapped him to shove Biden into the spotlight
How do you know?
Not everything is misogyny
You need to work on your reading comprehension, then.
You need to work on your writing skills. Nanner nanner or something
She split the vote by staying running against the best progressive voice of our time. Her selfishness is a direct cause of Biden being elected.
And in turn trump being reelected.
Hard to say that one. But I truly believe it. Similar to if Florida didn’t steal the presidency from Al Gore.
You can pretty much lay blame on anyone or anything because there's absolutely no way to prove it one way or another. You might as well be saying Biden got elected because of the phase of the moon.
Are you claiming the spoiler effect doesn't exist?
I'm claiming that people employ binary thinking and lay blame where the answer is just a wee bit more complex. Saying "Her selfishness is a direct cause of Biden being elected." is flat-out ludicrous for all kinds of reasons, mainly that no one knows what would have happened if Bernie had been the candidate. Nobody's even putting numbers on what "split the vote" even means. FFS.
And look, I voted for Bernie. I even wrote him in in 2020 (I'm in CA).
But the main reason I'm saying all this is that she had the right to run. It just comes across as incredibly shitty - AND exactly the same thinking that made HRC the candidate - to say "oh no, you there, you can't run because it might split the vote".