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[–] Maggoty 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That would require massive and obvious reorganizations of the military. It would also effectively hollow out the officer corps with so many of them refusing an illegal reorganization. (The organization at the high levels is set by law)

It's far more likely Trump will take volunteer veterans into the DOJ, give them a badge, and run it like a military unit with all of the equipment and none of the accountability. It's easier, faster, and legal.

[–] Brunbrun6766 19 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I keep saying this again and again. Being set by law, does not fucking matter now. Being illegal, does not matter now. They will MAKE IT legal, or they will hand wave the illegality.

[–] Maggoty 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Sure, great, but the military isn't about to hand waive anything. They will send the MPs to arrest soldiers for desertion. They will process people out of the military for following illegal orders.

They aren't robots and they have decades of experience in slow walking stuff, malicious compliance, and straight up refusing illegal orders. There isn't just one officer to fire either. It would take them years to build a military willing to be used against the American people.

They can have a DOJ task force up and running in a month. They can be recruiting veterans in 2 months. They can use the surplus system to transfer armored vehicles to the DOJ in about 6 months if someone is dragging their heels. And the military is actually in the middle of getting shiny new armored vehicles so seeing M113 APCs showing up on the surplus list isn't even going to raise eyebrows.

I sincerely hope they smash their heads against the military for another 4 years. But by the end of his last term they figured out they could use a DOJ task force to beat up and abduct protestors. Just adding surplus military equipment and Trump cultists to that isn't going to be hard to figure out. Stop trying to put the military in a hole it's not going to easily fit into and start looking at what's actually likely.

[–] horse_battery_staple 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You're absolutely correct.

Rank and file grunts may be gargling nazi balls, but the officer pool are often college educated and will not hand over America to a dictatorship. It'll take a decade just to fire all the officers who won't follow his illegal orders. Another decade to reform into a stazi.

The secret police will be local police forces organized under a Fed Dept probably Homeland or ICE.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

You've heard of Vietnam right? Why are you putting so much faith in the US military acting like they have any sort of mortality?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

The military was almost completely reworked between Vietnam and Desert Storm. They were getting tired of having to deal with the paper work for fragging, accidental friendly fire, and junior officers getting the shit beat out of them. Also a lot of the reforms had to do with ethics and rules of engagement, Vietnam was a fucken PR nightmare and the military did not want to deal with that shit ever again.

[–] LustyArgonianMana 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's his training. The military mentally conditions these men to respond to stuff like this in this way: absolute, unyielding, expected. He is not going to be able to conceive of a different way because his training was that thorough. That's probably a good thing. My dad was in the military also and when you ask him about military stuff, his personality goes into soldier mode like this too.

However I will say, having met modern young men who are soldiers - idk that they got the same training at all.

[–] Maggoty 7 points 1 month ago

I'm not the other poster. But we already have examples of the military standing up to Trump during his previous term. We know he's going to have to wade into the leadership pool to find sympathetic leaders.

[–] RememberTheApollo_ 8 points 1 month ago

They don’t have to make it legal.

Trump will pardon anyone he feels like. They can also just fail to prosecute or let cases against perpetrators just die in legal limbo.

[–] piecat 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Uphold the constitution? Great- they'll pass an ammendment.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

They don't have the numbers to pass an ammendment. They will just use the Supreme Court to "interpret" the constitution into oblivion.

[–] Brunbrun6766 0 points 1 month ago

They don't need numbers, They will just do it. Because what are you going to do about it.