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[–] TrickDacy 184 points 2 months ago (96 children)

Whatever you do, don't blame voters though. The only people who could possibly be at fault here are Democrats. Because voters are perfect little angels. Who can blame them for their strong desire for fascism? That's just human nature after all

[–] BlitzoTheOisSilent 66 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (63 children)

I get it, everyone is upset that Trump won (including myself). But the voters are not solely to blame here.

Democrats put forward a candidate who lost to fascism. What does that say about your policies, your messaging, how the voters feel about you when you tell them "You have to vote for me because I'm not the other guy!"

Y'all need to accept that 1. The Democrats can grasp defeat from the jaws of victory like no one else, and 2. The American people want change, they want progress, they have had enough of the status quo system that isn't working for them anymore.

They spent the last four years living under Biden, and despite all the screeching about how well the economy was doing, Americans don't feel it. And instead of addressing that, or doing anything about it, Biden and the Democrat establishment would just point the finger at Republicans and say, "No, no, they're worse, trust us, they're worse, they're worse."

They've spent a year telling Americans, despite everything they're seeing and hearing from Palestine, that Israel needs this unconditional support, while the world votes to hold Israel accountable and the US vetos it, under a Democrat administration. Multiple times, while refusing to let any Palestinians on stage at the DNC to speak, but parading Republican after Republican because they finished licking Trump's ass and decided to give Kamala's a go. Arab and Muslim Americans organized a protest vote, over 100,000 strong in Michigan alone (which she's projected to lose, btw), and the Democrats sent Bill Clinton to lecture them on how Israel is only doing what's necessary to defend themselves.

So we've had four years of milquetoast progress at best from a candidate the Democrat's constituency already didn't like. He dropped out but didn't leave enough time for a new primary, so the Democrat Party pushed Kamala on us, and then had her run on a centrist, return-to-the-status-quo platform, while refusing to take any meaningful stand on Palestine, with their biggest policy being, "Hey, you have to vote for us because we're not fascist."

If the American people, people in general, don't feel like they're being represented, why would the feel like voting? This is a failure on the Democrats, 100%, for running platform policies and candidates that don't drive people to the polls. Say what you want about Trump, and there's plenty to say about the absolute piece of shit of a human being he is.

But he makes his voters feel listened to and heard, and Democrats may consider it regression, but Republicans get their policies done, and they show progress to their constituents. Democrats get nothing done, usually due to Republican fuckery, but the Republicans don't face similar fuckery, so the average voter doesn't care, they just see one wide getting their agenda accomplished and the other not.

So now I pose this question to you, and I'm genuinely asking, this isn't an "I gotcha, I am so smart!"

If a person doesn't feel represented by their government regardless of who's in power, and your life doesn't drastically improve under either candidate, well... What difference does it make which form of government is fucking you over?

[–] TrickDacy -1 points 2 months ago (17 children)

Since the idea up top is "voters aren't to blame" I'm out

[–] BlitzoTheOisSilent 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Proving my point as to why Democrats can't seem to win, keep winning people over to the party there, champ.

[–] TrickDacy -5 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Yes you're so smart. We should have done anything you say and also fuck Democrats because voters aren't responsible for anything ever

[–] BlitzoTheOisSilent 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The Democrats ran on an uninspiring platform, and then wondered why the voting base was uninspired.

And I didn't realize "listen to your constituents" was the same as "do anything I say and also fuck you."

[–] TrickDacy 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yes if only we had inspired America the right way we would've stopped being fascist because gEnOcIdE

[–] BlitzoTheOisSilent 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Throws your tantrum all you want, the Dems didn't get the votes they needed, and it's their lackluster campaigning that lost them the election.

The voters don't owe candidates shit, especially when they're being promised four more years of Biden, but a pinch more progressive.

[–] TrickDacy -2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Gee I wonder who you voted for.

[–] BlitzoTheOisSilent 2 points 2 months ago

Harris, with Democrats down ballot. My state also went for Harris, but we're not one of the ones that matters.

As a trans woman, I don't have the luxury of voting my conscience and begrudgingly voted Harris despite her lackluster policies and genocide support.

At the same time, I don't blame anyone who couldn't vote for her and chose to abstain or vote third party, because the Democrats didn't win their vote. The Democrats aren't entitled to someone's vote just because the opponent is a fascist, and maybe if they stopped acting like they deserve every election for simply not being a Republican and actually put forth progressive policies, they'd win.

[–] yetiftw 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

nuance won't hurt you I promise

[–] TrickDacy -2 points 2 months ago

Lol yeah that's what it is. Electing trump and then blaming Democrats is NuAnCe

[–] Bustedknuckles 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Voters will get what they voted for, whether they intended it or not. It's the bedrock fundamental of political reality. A party can meet them where they are, convince them to come over to the leadership position, or lose. Those are the options

[–] TrickDacy 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Right, we should all robotically accept that people are garbage

[–] MutilationWave 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They're not all garbage. But they are selfish and short-sighted. Our garbage culture is the problem. Our worship of money and disdain for the poor.

[–] TrickDacy 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yes. And most people accept and embrace that culture.

[–] MutilationWave 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Because it's manufactured at the highest levels and forced down their throats with propaganda.

[–] TrickDacy 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yeah I'm just done with having empathy for people that hate knowledge and care only for themselves. 2016 killed 90% of that in me, last night killed it the rest of the way.

[–] MutilationWave 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I understand your rage. I feel it too. And deep sadness. I live in one of the reddest states in the US. I don't know what to do. I finally had all my ducks in a row to take out a loan and buy a house for my wife, her mom, and I to live in. Now I want to flee the country. But my wife's mom is elderly and will not leave. So my wife will not leave. So I will not leave. I'm going to buy a rifle to complement my other firearms and get my wife a pistol and shooting classes.

[–] TrickDacy 3 points 2 months ago

I wish you well through this. It's hard to see any upside at all, at least within our lifetimes. I hope you're able to avoid a maximal amount of fallout from it. I was hoping to retire early but that was contingent on investments growing stably. I don't think economic stability is in the cards for us. I know that would've been a huge privilege. But not even those who are marginally well off can escape all the consequences of the curb stomping America just received. Those less fortunate will suffer immeasurably. Imagine if we have another pandemic. I don't think Trump learns lessons unless it means more money or power for him. America just taught him he can commit piles of crimes and let thousands of people die, and he will still receive fame, fortune, power, and adoration. It's hard to understand how fucked up our voters' perceptions are. It might be studied like we do with the Roman empire. Maybe next time humanity can actually learn from it.

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