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[–] Kethal 37 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Granted I don't understand those people, but this difference between now and 2020 is lack of support for Harris, not increased support for Trump. I'll add people sitting at home to the list of people I don't want to associate with.

[–] ultranaut 51 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Trump is so far outperforming compared to 2020, its looking like he did increase his support. Definitely among younger people his numbers are significantly better than 2020.

[–] Kethal 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

No he isn't. 71 million votes this year. 74 million in 2020. When the tally is done, at absolute best he matches his old performance within a percent or so, and that's unlikely.

[–] ultranaut 1 points 2 days ago

It looks like he has both shrunk and expanded his voters. From what I'm seeing he did significantly better than he has in the past with various groups and in various places, but you are right it looks like overall his numbers declined by several million. Both sides underperformed compared to 2020 and Trump won because he underperformed less.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago

To be fair, at least 50% of the human population is evil. They always have been! That’s why we had 10,000 years of slavery, feudalism, pyramid schemes, religion. Every nasty thing you can imagine.

[–] Cherries 37 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I agree that people are stupid for not understanding how terrible Trump was and will be. However, I think a big problem was that the DNC didn't provide an attractive alternative to excite these dummies.

There was very obviously support for Harris early on when the DNC made some progressive decisions. Getting rid of Biden was a progressive choice. Choosing Tim Walz was a progressive choice. The DNC was immediately rewarded for these progressive choices with $1 billion in small donor donations.

The DNC got arrogant and decided to aggressively move in a conservative direction. Harris started talking about how she would build the wall and prosecute immigrants. The DNC welcomed the Cheneys with open arms. Harris told interviewers that she would be more conservative than Biden by accepting more Republicans in her Cabinet.

The DNC actively threw away their progressive supporters and gained absolutely nothing in return because the voters they were courting would never have voted for Harris anyway. Racists gonna vote Trump. Moderate conservatives gonna secretly vote Trump. People who want Republicans in a Presidential Cabinet are obviously gonna vote Trump.

If the DNC just focused on stuff like being pro choice or going into detail about fighting price gouging, that would have been much more successful than trying to attract the mythical "Moderate Conservative".

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I hate to say it, but progressives lose in battleground states. Everyone dreaming of the DNC moving further left is just that—dreaming.

And I say that as a somewhat progressive person living in a battleground state. If you think a progressive is going to run up the votes in rural Pennsylvania, they aren't.

And if this pisses you off, well, join the club.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Concur with you... And I live in CA where we do vote Democrat. While I would like to disagree, even Democrats I know veer away from politicians viewed as "too progressive". They fear that true progressive agendas would alienate others within politics and result in nothing getting accomplished. For example, some love the idea of Bernie but believe hes too idealistic, "wishy washy" and that his plans are too. Too much for others within Congress to get on board and ally on the goals. If this is already coming from some Democrats in CA, I'm not surprised by swing states....

I 100% believe you. We may not like the reality but its there.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

People thought that the Tea Party would drive away support for the GOP, but they got everything they wanted by being loud and demanding it from the GOP. Conservative voters get everything they want from the Republicans because they demand it. Meanwhile Democrats are constantly trying to snub the Progressives and leftists from the party and then except those snubbed groups to keep voting for them.

[–] spankmonkey 17 points 2 days ago

No, look at the polls. They absolutely support Trump.

They are morons.

[–] dragontamer 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Trump support increased on many levels.

Kamala had problems. But Trump is stronger than any of us are comfortable with.

[–] Kethal 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

No it didn't. 74 million votes in 2020, currently at 71 million for 2024. At best he matches previous numbers and that's unlikely. Are people just making shit up?