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[–] [email protected] 120 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

New normal, folks. So begins the era of climate migration.

A reminder that this is why we should never tolerate selfishness. We're now largely screwed because we, as a species, valued our individual comfort over expert research.

We knew what we needed to do - but no, profits. Such a dumb way to die.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Climate and Healthcare migration. I can't afford to retire here in the states. It's coming.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

you will probably not be entirled tobhealthcare in Europe either then.

Usually the idea is that you pay as a worker into the healthcare system. If you never paid in here you will probably have to fo dor private insurance and you'll be faced with similiar rates like in the US because the age of entry is crucial for the rates of private health insurance

[–] Jubas 4 points 1 year ago

Some European countries do provide healthcare if you get permanent residence or citizenship, despite not paying throughout your life.

[–] jarfil 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Some countries have "universal healthcare" for all citizens, you only pay as a worker to get a retirement fund.

So you can end up penniless and homeless, but they will keep you alive (...sometimes to suffer for as long as possible, but that's a different matter).

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This has been the mildest summer in my 5 years living in the area, I'm loving it

Tornado watches are becoming more frequent tho

[–] desmaraisp 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Same here in montreal, my grass has never been this green in the middle of july. Kinda weird that we had all those forest fires when the summer's been pretty damn mild for now

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Mild in Montreal, maybe, but check out the Canadian Drought Monitor as the rest of Canada is in drought. Like, the entire rest of Canada. https://agriculture.canada.ca/en/agricultural-production/weather/canadian-drought-monitor/current-drought-conditions

Over here in the west it's never been so dry. Pastures are brown, hay and crops aren't just stunted but are dying before maturity. Trees are yellowing and dropping leaves. Plague of grasshoppers eating everything that was still green. Every day is hot and the air is full of smoke, it feels like the end of the world over here.

[–] nexusband 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That isn't "just" climate change though, it's also urbanisation and the way you guys over there use ground water. It's a combination of a lot of things, climate change is only one puzzle piece in the whole scheme of things.

Also, the drought thing is easily combatable with desalination, which has a few other benefits. The main caveat is, it's expensive. But, it's a lot cheaper than having to deal with various other things due to the droughts.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Guessing you've never been to Western Canada. We only have a couple major cities, and we don't use that much groundwater both as it tends to be saline and because we have plenty of surface water to use due to snowmelt runoff. Also we don't have anything to desalinate, unless we're talking about that low-quality groundwater, which is a very expensive proposition as you say to get any significant volume.

We're not concerned about water for drinking, city usage etc. Most cities are on major rivers that are running near normally. Hydro dams have tons of storage to run until next winter's snow. On my farm I have dugouts that capture runoff, they are full. I have shallow wells on GUDI aquifers where the water is near the top of the casing! I'm irrigating my garden and my orchard like mad out of my yard dugout and that usage isn't even noticeable compared to evaporation losses.

We're concerned that our crops are dying, our livestock are starving (sold mine already) and almost none of our land is irrigated. In BC the trees are dying and burning for lack of rain and there is no way to irrigate them of course. This part of the country has long relied on a steady cycle of June and July thunderstorms for moisture - but the thunderstorms have dried up.

It just won't rain, that's all.

[–] nexusband 2 points 1 year ago

No, I have never been to Western Canada (it's very high on my bucket list, though) and I was broadly talking about North America. Sorry for the generalization. This year being also an El Nino year may have contributed...while some people will say otherwise, Europe has been uncharacteristically moist. We got a lot of places that already have reached 90% of their yearly average precipitation...

[–] desmaraisp 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah for sure. I knew my region was kind of a standout, but that map is even more damning than I thought, thanks for the link. If I'm reading the article correctly, the issues started long before the summer, the spring was really dry. At least the atlantic got some pretty heavy rain in June, though I'd be curious to see the july report when it comes out

[–] mayo 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Same in Vancouver, though the deep heat usually comes in August. It is however extremely dry. I can't remember the last time it actually rained. Looks like 2-4 rain events since May 1.

You can look up your area here:

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Newly-minted Albertan here, extreme thunderstorms are a weekly occurrance. Haven't lived here long enough to know if that's normal, but in Grand Forks, BC a thunderstorm was a rarity.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Welcome to Alberta, thunderstorms are the dominant weather in the summer. Make sure your shingles are tacked down around the edges of the roof, even if it isn't "proper" because updrafts will tear them off. If your neighbourhood codes allow it, switch to metal roofing when the hail trashes the shingles you have now and save the hassle of replacing shingles non stop.

I moved from AB to SK 8 years ago and we had a similar storm cycle then, but it's been dead for almost 5 years now. Just hot dry sun. Thunderstorms are the main source of summer rain as we haven't seen a real multi-day "soaker" in many years now, so we're in big trouble.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

It's so much worse than the new normal. It's going to keep changing just as fast, or faster. "Normal" isn't going to exist much longer.