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Puerto Ricans cannot vote in general elections despite being U.S. citizens, but they can exert a powerful influence with relatives on the mainland. Phones across the island of 3.2 million people were ringing minutes after the speaker derided the U.S. territory Sunday night, and they still buzzed Monday.

Democratic Vice President Kamala Harris is competing with Trump to win over Puerto Rican communities in Pennsylvania and other swing states. Shortly after stand-up comic Tony Hinchcliffe said that, “I don’t know if you guys know this, but there’s literally a floating island of garbage in the middle of the ocean right now. I think it’s called Puerto Rico,” Puerto Rican reggaeton superstar Bad Bunny announced he was backing Harris.

After Sunday’s rally, a senior adviser for the Trump campain, Danielle Alvarez, said in a statement that Hinchcliffe’s joke did “not reflect the views of President Trump or the campaign.”

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[–] [email protected] 78 points 1 week ago (4 children)

What happened "no taxation without representation" that the colonists fought for in the war of independence? Apparently it only applies to white people.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

It definitely only did apply to white people. And only men.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Landowning white men to be precise.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

It was a lie from the start, it only ever applied to a few wealthy old white men who didn't want any cuts to their profit margins after the British fought a costly war to defend them from French and Native retaliation.

[–] raef 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's why they don't pay federal taxes

[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 week ago (1 children)

While they dont pay income taxes to the IRS, they do pay customs taxes, federal commodity taxes, and federal payroll taxes (Social Security, Medicare, and Unemployment) to the IRS, which sounds alot like federal taxes to me.

[–] raef -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It also feels like it's something different because they aren't supposed to go into the general fund, but advance payment for specific benefits

[–] irotsoma 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

But they don't have a say in how the money is spent or whether the tax should exist. So it's still the same issue whether it's for a specific purpose or whether or not they benefit from it. It's the freedom of choice that they still don't have.

[–] raef -1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

There is an attempt to conform to the taxation/representation issue, but it's never going to be 100%. Non-citizens and foreign entities are going to be subject to certain taxes within the US as well. At a simple level, there's no way avoid sales taxes. People have to pay sales tax in states they can't vote in either

[–] irotsoma 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Sales tax is different. That pays for the infrastructure to get the goods to market, theoretically. Though admittedly that is not exactly true everywhere, the general idea of sales tax is for economic reasons, not residential.

And of course it's not going to be 100%, but we're talking about large portions of the population that were purposely excluded, e.g. women, slaves, etc., in the past, and currently lots of people of all genders and races who live in Puerto Rico, Guam, D.C, etc..

PR alone accounts for over 3 million adults, or about 1% of the US population, with little to no representation, most of them citizens. Wyoming only has about 580,000 people, or about 0.17% of the population, but controls 2% of the Senate, 0.23% of the house, and 0.56% of the presidential election.

[–] raef 1 points 1 week ago

We're also not talking about taxes just for residency. The federal government doesn't collect property taxes. I'm just trying to say there is some effort to not burden them unduly with taxes. Do I think they should become a state: yes; barring that do I think they should they be excluded from entitlements: no. The issue of statehood is complicated. Historically referendums in Puerto Rico have failed. At least some are happy with the status quo

[–] Buddahriffic 3 points 1 week ago

Same thing that happened to the WMD in Iraq. And the "good of the people" in Guatemala.