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Because they are using images of real children.
I agree, but if there were some way to create CSAM without using real children (I'm not sure how you would train such an AI model), it would probably be worth seeing if that did anything to make pedophiles less likely to act out on their desires.
Because my god, we need to figure out something.
I mean trying to help them get treatment instead of going all pod-people on anyone showing even the possibility of being attracted to kids would be helpful.
I've been saying that for ages. Obviously we don't want to enable any pedophiles to do anything horrific to children, but we're at a state right now where if you have those urges to begin with, you're basically already told to accept that you're an incurable monster. So why not act on the urges?
Somehow we need to get through to such people that they need to get help before they do anything terrible. I'm not sure how to do that in the current climate though.
The way AI models work, you don't have to train it on the thing you want it to do, you can ask it to combine the things it knows about. Take any of the meme loras for example, like pepe punch or patcha.
So literally any model that can generate pictures of naked adults and clothed children - which is to say almost all of them - is going to be at least somewhat competent in creating CP unless those prompts are being actively censored and blocked.
Wouldn't that generate images of children with small-sized adult bodies?
If it doesn't know what a child's body looks like, it can't just figure it out.
The datasets will have enough images of kids in bikinis and underwear from stock photos and clothes shop listings etc to figure that part out rather easily.
Train it to depict humans that look like anime characters that are ~~definitely 18 or older~~ immortal dragons that are taking on the bodies of young human beings
Disclaimer
I am not condoning, endorsing, or suggesting thisactually, how about not looking into state-sponsored CP
I'm not sure what you're talking about.
"it would probably be worth seeing if that did anything to make pedophiles less likely to act out on their desires."
What's the implication here? You're saying we should look into placating child predators by creating AI CP for them to consume?
That would be worth a scientific study, don't you think? Isn't it worth trying to find ways to stop child predators before they become predators?
You seem to think I'm suggesting that the UK government create childporn.gov.uk or something.
Which means?
Its a form of stalking, probably makes it more likely for them to rape that child, even if they don't wind up doing that it would still qualify as a form of revenge porn.
It's not stalking and "probably" shouldn't rouse a courtroom.
It is when they are commissioning these "works".
Ed8t: To be clear, that's what happened here.
Commissioning as in buying? I'm not sure how that changes it to stalking.
IMO, the worst part about it is that there's someone else out there who thinks less of me because there's some naked imagery of me.
Why should I care what someone likes so long as they keep it to themselves?
THEY AREN'T KEEPING IT TO THEMSELVES.
Holy shit, how are you defending this behavior still?
They find children they want, take pictures of them, send them to this "CSAM AI Artist" for lack of a better term, in order to have CSAM of the specific child they are interested in.
If you dont see that as dangerous, especially as the CSAM creator is encouraging these people to act on those specific children, well... Let me know so I can just block you and be done.
What the actual fuck.
Ohh, you're on about the specific guy in the article who went down primarily because of the other shit he's doing along with what you just said. If you scroll up enough, you'll see that I'm talking about hypotheticals. My whole stance is about personal data being ethically in the same category as personal thoughts. Nobody should be convicted for wrongthink regardless of whether it's bad taste or not. There's no important difference between pictures in your head and pictures you put on a screen.
Well, thanks for the confirmation that I should just block you, because the situation literally is about this guy and the people who targeted children, and you're just giving the old thumbs up because its "just thoughts about raping kids, real kids that they followed and took pictures of - but its cool! There is no way this leads to escalation and the rape of kids".
Got it..
You're the kind of loser who would convict someone over your feelings and call yourself the good guy.
Commissioning as in a buyer has an interest in a particular child. They ask the guy using ai to make a custom bit of CSAM, so the buyer can have CSAM of that specific child.
That kind of commissioning.
Okay, but if I ask someone to draw me a picture of Nicholas Cage naked, is that stalking him? What if I have Nick Cage pictures all over my walls and even ceiling and my phone wallpaper? Is that stalking? Does it help if I'm really horny for him? And I touch myself?
We aren't talking about a famous person.
We are talking about someone taking pictures of kids they know to have someone else turn it into CSAM.
The comparison you are trying to make is completely irrelevant. The fact that you see it as a comparison makes it even worse.
Do famous people have certain exemptions? Fewer rights?
You can definitely say that them going around trying to get the pictures to begin with is stalking though. I pretty well didn't consider that step and was focused on the AI bit.
The AI part is a continuation.
And this...
Is completely irrelevant and ridiculous as a comment.
You are comparing a household name and likeness to a child that someone wants to sexually abuse, is near, and able to get pictures of.
Stop talking about celebrities and come on down to reality please.
Oh I didn't realize I needed to be a lawyer.
I can buy photos of Robert Downey Junior from Marvel Studios and that's not stalking.