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You choose, even when you don't vote (lemmy.blahaj.zone)
submitted 2 days ago by [email protected] to c/politicalmemes
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[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I have seen no material evidence to this effect.

Here's a user's comment that listed three sources:

https://lemmy.world/comment/13069715

She’s taken a stance, multiple times. The left doesn’t want to hear it.

March - https://www.npr.org/2024/03/04/1234822836/kamala-harris-benny-gantz-gaza-cease-fire-israel-hamas

July - https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/25/harris-netanyahu-israel-cease-fire-00171315

September - https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/harris-trump-presidential-debate-election-2024/card/harris-calls-for-ceasefire-in-gaza-while-trump-claims-she-hates-israel--isokhfqmy6EgRGrUOSuK

If you're sitting on the October Surprise please share it. All the evidence we have suggests that Harris wants a ceasefire. While Trump wants a christo-fascist dictatorship and is content to watch Israel complete its genocide. The candidates have distinct positions despite your argument's attempt to conflate the two.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Problem is that public statements are one thing, actions are another. And politicians are known to make great many statements they then contradict by their actions.

[–] FlyingSquid 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What actions would you have a vice president take? What exactly do you think she has the power to do right now?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)
  • She could have publicly renounced the Israeli government instead of defending it.
  • She could have voted against and started voting initiatives to stop weapon sales and military aid.
  • She could have went to court to sue the government if Biden was reluctant. The arms sales are illegal by US law, as Israel is known to attack US and international humanotaroan aid
  • She could have made a point of opposing Netanyahu when he was in congress instead of just not being there.
  • She could have threatened to step down as VP and followed through with it, once she became candidate.
  • She could have let Palestinian Americans speak at the DNC convention instead of silencing them, while giving Families of Israeli hostages a place to speak. This was the bare minimum to do, unless clearly picking the side of Zionism.

Then the party establishment had two options:

  • Either they would have fallen in line, winning the election and accepting that genocide is a no go for Harris.
  • Or they could have tried to oust her, knowing that it would cost them the election, or create so much push back that she remains as candidate and gets to toss them out.
[–] FlyingSquid -2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

From just your second line I can see that you have no idea what powers the vice president has.

Where and when was she supposed to vote against or for those things?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamala_Harris

Senate presidency

When Harris took office the 117th Congress's Senate was divided 50–50 between Republicans and Democrats;[193] this meant that she was often called upon to exercise her power to cast tie-breaking votes as president of the Senate. Harris cast her first two tie-breaking votes on February 5. In February and March, Harris's tie-breaking votes were required to pass the American Rescue Plan Act of 2021 stimulus package Biden proposed, since no Senate Republicans voted for it.[194][195] On July 20, Harris broke Mike Pence's record for tie-breaking votes in the first year of a vice presidency[196] when she cast the seventh tie-breaking vote in her first six months.[197] She cast 13 tie-breaking votes during her first year in office, the most tie-breaking votes in a single year in U.S. history, surpassing John Adams, who cast 12 in 1790.[197][198] On December 5, 2023, Harris broke the record for the most tie-breaking votes cast by a vice president, casting her 32nd vote, exceeding John C. Calhoun, who cast 31 votes during his nearly eight years in office.[199][200] On November 19, 2021, Harris served as acting president from 10:10 to 11:35 am EST while Biden underwent a colonoscopy.[201] She was the first woman, and the third person overall, to assume the powers and duties of the presidency as acting president of the United States.[202][203][204]

As early as December 2021, Harris was identified as playing a pivotal role in the Biden administration owing to her tie-breaking vote in the evenly divided Senate as well as her being the presumed front-runner in 2024 if Biden did not seek reelection.[205]

So from my understanding she gets the final vote on split issues. She could have leveraged her political power to push these issues to get to vote.

[–] FlyingSquid 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

And which tied votes in specific should she have voted a different way on? Please name them.

Because I can't think of a single tied vote regarding Israel.

[–] davidagain 23 points 2 days ago (2 children)

There you go bringing facts and rationality into a bOTh sIDes debate. Bold move.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Hey look more "fact and rationality":

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-says-it-has-secured-87-billion-us-aid-package-2024-09-26/

But sure, she's "calling for a ceasefire". Are you really that guillible or just bad faithed?

[–] davidagain 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I wonder what you would see in your search results if you searched for Harris call for ceasefire.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Less than 87 billion words.

[–] davidagain 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Very much so. Most of the links in mine were about Kamala Harris calling for a ceasefire in Gaza.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Well maybe when she has one ceasefire call per dollar in bombs I will be impressed.

[–] davidagain 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

How many calls for ceasefire has Trump, the other person who might become president made? Who is ringing up to encourage Netanyahu to reject Biden's ceasefire plan? Oh yes. Trump. Trump, working for war in the middle east. Trump, who calls himself the best king of Israel. Trump, delighting in the genocide because he has a man crush on dictators and yearns to be one.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

k

[–] davidagain 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I don't think it's OK to put a geriatric genocidal insurrectionist imbecile in the Whitehouse.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I don't think it's okay to put any genocidal people into the whitehouse.

At this point she's decided she doesn't need my vote and she's not getting it. Come to terms with that.

[–] davidagain 1 points 18 minutes ago

We both know that Trump is the crazy genocidal guy that's ringing Netanyahu up telling him not to have a ceasefire, and Biden and Harris are the sensible ones calling publicly for a ceasefire and trying to convince Netanyahu to go for it. These things are public knowledge and you're in complete denial.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Hey you want some facts and rationality?

https://www.amnestyusa.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/4.29.2024-NSM-20-AIUSA-submission-re-Israel.pdf

Harris should be in jail.

[–] Rhoeri 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

ROFL! Harris should be in jail?

For what exactly? I’d LOVE to see this. Please. If you would, explain in detail.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So, tell everyone that you don't know what the VP does without saying it.

[–] Rhoeri 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Did you mean to respond to someone else with this?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, meant to reply to the person you replied to. My bad.

[–] Rhoeri 1 points 9 hours ago

It’s all good.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

So she called for a ceasefire back in March? and then in July? And then in September?

That doesn't sounds very effective does it?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Keep moving those goalposts. Btw, I hope this is literally your job because wow. 4 hour old account, and since jumping on this morning, you have been EVERYWHERE.

At the moment: 40 comments in 4 hours. All about one thing. Nice.

[–] Cryophilia -1 points 1 day ago

He just does this until an account gets banned. All his usernames are some form of "fuckamericans". Edgy 12 year old.