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[–] [email protected] 89 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

And because of that, every election from now on will be about voting against a full-blown fascist dictator while any talk of progress becomes taboo for the sake of winning over centrists.

[–] Blum0108 25 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

We could have had Bernie in 2016

[–] [email protected] -2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

You would have had Trump in 2016, but then again, it'd be over now. Unless he would've actually destroyed democracy.

[–] Serinus 23 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

There's a lot of caveats to that.

First, that was absolutely the plan when they started shifting the Overton window in the 1980s. They didn't realize how important good faith is to democracy, and it's gotten more out of hand than they intended. Now you've got Dick Cheney, Rex Tillerson, and other 80s Republicans trying to rein it in.

Second, compromise goes both ways. Our agenda doesn't have to go out of the window. The neolibs will give the kids free school lunches to help defeat fascism. This doesn't mean that we try to jerk the Overton window so far the other way that it breaks and we lose to fascists. We can both compromise in good faith.

Third, those Republicans always think results are instant. Fire employees and if things don't break in a month, then they were clearly right! And when things go to shit in two years, well, there must be another reason. Don't make the same mistake with progressive changes. We need more than a 50/50 senate split with West Virginia included to be able to make big changes. Results aren't instant, and don't give up when they're not.

[–] abigscaryhobo 9 points 3 weeks ago

The thing that really sucks is that to a lot of voters, results are instant. Every time the price of anything goes up, it's the current presidents fault. Seen all those "I Did That!" Stickers idiots put on gas pumps? It makes no sense when you're talking on an economic scale for things to suddenly shift overnight, or even in 2-4 years. But a huge bump in inflation from companies trying to capitalize on economic changes through covid? Ope, bidens fault.

There are so many political schemes that take advantage of the "right now" results, even if those results are from years of changes and slow effect activity. I wish I could get people to see that not every little thing that happens is because someone in govt went to the "magic number machine" and moved the sliders up or down that morning.

[–] FreakinSteve 1 points 3 weeks ago

And in red states which have abandoned workers, Chuck Schumer always campaigns for the pro-trump Democrat instead of the candidate with the energy behind them. Gotta lose all the fucking dinosaurs that keep causing losses.

[–] FreakinSteve 2 points 3 weeks ago

Fascism can never be voted out. I've been telling social media how to deal with this and they have been banning my accounts and calling me a violent loon for the past eight years but hey look here we are

[–] tibi 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Until you end up having to vote between 2 fascists, because the genie is out of the bottle.

[–] sandbox 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

Not even close.

[–] surewhynotlem 1 points 3 weeks ago

Run for local office. Petition your local leaders.