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Feeding a baby born by caesarean section milk containing a tiny bit of their mother’s poo introduces beneficial microbes to their gut, according to a clinical trial. The approach might one day help to prevent diseases during childhood and later in life.

Some studies show that babies born by c-section, rather than vaginal birth, have a higher risk of asthma, inflammation of the digestive system and other diseases associated with a dysfunctional immune system... Experiments have attempted to compensate for that by swabbing babies born by c-section with microbes from their mother’s vagina or giving them these microbes orally, a practice known as ‘vaginal seeding’. But this technique has had limited success, because vaginal microbes, scientists have learnt, cannot effectively colonize infants’ guts...

Helve and his colleagues have been pioneers in testing whether faecal transplants can instead improve the health of a baby’s microbiome. In their latest trial, which recruited women scheduled for a c-section at the Helsinki University Hospital, the researchers mixed a fluid containing 3.5 milligrams of a mother’s poo into milk and gave the concoction to the corresponding baby. They did this for 15 babies during their first feed. Another 16 babies received a placebo.

An important next step in the field, Shao says, would be to pinpoint the specific maternal gut microbes that are most likely to transmit to and colonize their babies’ guts. Shao asks: “If these species do exist across human populations, wouldn’t it be more effective and safer” to give newborns a laboratory-made transplant that’s guaranteed to be pathogen-free?

"This is the shit"

But seriously don't try this at home. Fecal matters can contain pathogens, in fact 54 of the 90 women screened were excluded because of detected pathogens. If this goes well maybe ppl can make some type of lab-made probiotics for C-section babies or stuff

The abstract presented at IDWeek 2024: https://idweek2024.eventscribe.net/index.asp?presTarget=2886841

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Even if some women use it to avoid the excruciating pain of vaginal birth, that's still a very very very valid reason.

The only "convenience" I'll assume you're talking about is for the doctor. I was told my only options for birth was a C-section or induced labor, because the doctor "didnt like surprises." I'm still upset that I did not know how to advocate for myself as a young adult because I was forced into an induction and several other unexpected medical nightmares due to hospital/staff/doctor negligence.

[–] chonglibloodsport 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Vaginal birth isn’t always excruciatingly painful. It depends on the mother’s body type and health but it can also be improved with a proper birth position. Humans weren’t evolved to give birth laying on our back like in the movies, we were meant to give birth in a squatting position.

Some women have even claimed that their vaginal birth was intensely pleasurable, causing them to achieve orgasm. Of course no one wants to hear this, as clashes with all sorts of taboos against women’s sexuality and giving birth in general!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

Of course no one wants to hear this, as clashes with all sorts of taboos against women’s sexuality and giving birth in general!

Buddy. I don't have time to get into that rn. But ok.

The non-painful births do exist, absolutely, but they are outliers. I'm sure "pleasurable" births exist, as well, but, again, those are outliers.

Never in my life have I met a woman who gave birth with low pain without the use of drugs.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Atleast we are learning, the downvotes on original comment is... Why?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'd assume because with the wording you've used, it may seem like you are blaming women for getting C-sections.

(for the record, I did not downvote you)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Some women do chose it for their own reason which is non of my business but they are also getting sent that way by medical system... which i would wager is a lot larger % of women.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Also good to remember that after a C-section, any child after that is recommended to also be C-section. Something like 25% of vaginal births after C-sections end in complications that will require a C-section anyhow.

Bodies are complicated. It's good to have treatment to ensure better health for the baby, regardless of what kind of birth was had.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That is not clear in your comment. I didn't downvote you but it comes off like you are boomer posting that all the modern women are getting c sections foolishily out of a desire to make it easy

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Dont boomers love c sections tho thats how we got here?

Doctors push them extra becuase it is convenient for them