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[–] [email protected] 121 points 2 months ago (5 children)

a dying and dangerous 20th century technology

I stopped reading there, nuclear is statistically the safest form of energy generation.

[–] jungle 50 points 2 months ago (1 children)

And it tries to paint it as bad for the environment in this paragraph:

But the mining, milling, and production of nuclear fuel, as well as the construction and decommissioning of nuclear plants, emit greenhouse gases at levels ranging from 10 to 130 grams of carbon dioxide per kilowatt hour of power — lower than fossil fuels but higher than wind and hydroelectricity (and roughly on par with solar).

So... It's good then?

[–] scarabic 30 points 2 months ago

The author of this article personally breathed out 800 pounds of CO2 last year. Less than a horse but more than a badger and roughly on par with a kangaroo.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 months ago (1 children)

To be fair, it does have the most potential to cause harm if you exclude every kind of fossil fuel. And hydroelectric. That said, there isn't a chance in hell I'm going to protest fission if the only alternative is more coal/gas.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 months ago (1 children)

And yet by KWH produced it's the safest by a large margin (safer than solar and wind), and that includes Chernobyl happening, arguably pretty close to "worst case".

Potential is meaningless. Real-world experience has demonstrated it.

[–] tb_ 37 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

Nuclear's problem is that, when an issue happens, it is so very visible.

The millions of people dying every year to air pollution are far more spread out, so who cares?

You're more likely to crash in a car, yet people are (generally) far more scared of planes.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago

Visibility is a very real problem in environmental measures that I rarely see discussed.

The example that comes to mind is Madrid. Over the past few years there have been many measures to divert the traffic from the city centre. At a "visible" level this is great, which results in less pollution in the city centre, less traffic, less noise. All amazing. If you delve a bit deeper though, this hasn't been backed up properly by additional public transport, or encouraging working from home, or anything like that. So people who work in the area are having to drive more kilometres, so that they can go around the city centre, resulting in more emissions and pollution overall. The catch? It's in the impoverished areas of the outskirts. Therefore invisible.

The governments look amazing at improving the pollution in the city centres not by addressing it, but by moving it somewhere else. Most times they opt for what is "visibly" good rather than what will actually result in a measurably better outcome. The negative effects of nuclear are very visible, so that weighs a lot in the decisions unfortunately.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

Its invisible like tuberculosis deaths. 4000 a day yet nobody cares cos its poor people that are not politicaly usefull dying.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

And this is exactly why mass shootings get all the news cycles, but the much more common gang violence doesn't.

Which is incredibly dumb and why we can't have nice things. The solutions to the more impactful, everyday issues like car crashes and gang violence are very different from the solutions to more rare, but more "newsworthy" issues like airplane failure and mass shootings.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

And energy dense too!
It also requires a literal village to run and maintain.
And that's the problem, I don't want to see a nuclear power plant managed by fucking Amazon or Google.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, all those exploding solar panels are a real danger!

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Take a look at some stats sometime, nothing comes even close to nuclear safety by KWH produced.

There's far more involved in solar than just solar panels.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

And if we roll out more nuclear plants, the cost to make a new plant would go down as well, resulting in lower cost per KWH over its lifetime.

Solar is cool and should absolutely be a part of the grid, but we shouldn't be expecting batteries to be our base load supply.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Mounting solar panels on roofs - like all roof work - is dangerous.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Luckily building a nuclear reactor doesn't have any risks

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

the reactor produces significantly more energy