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[–] Aqarius 11 points 2 months ago (2 children)

It's the Schrodinger's Tankies. Simultaneously so insignificant as a voting block that it's a waste of time to appeal to them, and so influential that it's exclusively their fault when the dems lose.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yeah. This is why some Democrats get called Blue MAGA and I don't think they get it.

They treat lefties like the same kinda scapegoat the Republicans treat anyone not white. It's an easy "other" group that can be considered outside the main group and fighting them is "the good moral duty of the Democratic Party."

I sometimes wonder if that division and push for the center-left to be apathetic towards the further left is part of the Russian Psy-op that they are so afraid of cause that's the only reason I can think of a party like this ignoring their youngest, poorest, or most emotional bases, that courting on the right makes them win.

[–] Aqarius 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That's also falling for scapegoats. The call is coming from inside the house, and it has been for over three decades.

The center is apathetic and hostile to the left because they're not the left. They're not courting leftwingers because they don't want them. They keep reaching across the isle because they fundamentally agree with their basic beliefs. It's why Sorkin dreams about President Mitt Romney (D). The grand Neoliberal turn is disintegrating, and is being besieged by MAGA from the right and progressives from the left, and both the dems and the GOP are consistently moving right because while they find MAGA brutish and uncouth, they're appeasable, whereas the demands from the left are fundamentally unacceptable to them.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

Oh sure. Just wishful thinking and using the same garbage excuse that I hear whenever a neoliberal doesn't like what a leftist says and calls them a Russian shill.

That's really the most obvious sign they are republicans of the past. They keep trying to use a red scare to ignore bases they don't like.

[–] Stovetop 2 points 2 months ago

I do get the example but it's definitely hard to quantify how many votes would be lost on the other end by appealing further to the left.

Centrists make up the majority of the voting block, which is why we're in the situation we are now where everyone is dancing around this fickle middle group. And yet politics has also somehow never felt so polarized in my adult life, go figure.