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It wouldn't hurt to bring this up the next time someone tells you Trump is an anti-war candidate.

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[–] mightyfoolish -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

One can easily argue his actions were the indirect cause of the current mess.

Three years after he left office?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yes. These major decisions have long-term effects. But note I did say indirect cause; the full reason is multi-faceted and very complex, and hard to pin down on just one person. But it certainly played a big part if Hamas directly named it as such.

[–] mightyfoolish 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

My biggest concern is taking Biden out of the blame. Are other countries going mad for suggesting Biden has participiated in war crimes? Are you suggesting Biden did something different? If Biden did the same thing, wouldn't it be Biden's fault as he did it for three years after Trump left office?

Trump is a horrible human being but why would he blame him for something someone else caused?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Biden should get his share of the blame for what happened after October 7th. But he wasn't the initial cause of what happened that day.

Biden did not really do all that much when it came to ME relations. He was considerably busier with Ukraine so the ME got less interest during his admin.

Trump took the major steps, e.g. the moving of the embassy, the attempts to broker peace between KSA and Israel (which of course there are rumours he/his kids personally profited from), he openly challenged Iran without much repercussions, etc... All signalling to Hamas that their cause had little chance of succeeding as their international support was clearly eroding away.

Biden didn't reverse course, but there was little to do here. Looks bad to reverse a peace agreement or cave to Iran or to move an embassy out of Jerusalem. Not that I think he had the foresight that Hamas'd do this either. I doubt he even gave it much thought due to being preoccupied with Ukraine.

[–] mightyfoolish 1 points 1 month ago

.et's be real about the embassy moving , Trump only made the status quo more official with that move. Obama already said Jerusalem was the capital of Israel.

During the last debate between Biden and Trump, Biden gloated about how miserable he has treated Iran during his presidency.