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China’s newest nuclear submarine sank in dock, US officials confirm (www.theguardian.com)

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Loss of state-of-the-art vessel in May or June is setback to Chinese push for naval parity with US

China’s efforts to achieve maritime military parity with the US have suffered a serious blow after its newest state-of-the-art nuclear submarine sank in a dock, American officials have confirmed.

The incident happened last May or June at the Wuchang shipyard near Wuhan – the same city where the Covid-19 pandemic is believed to have originated – and came to light, thanks to satellite imagery, despite efforts by the country’s communist authorities to stage a cover-up.

A US defence official told Reuters that the Zhou-class vessel – first of a new kind of Chinese submarines and distinctive for its X-shaped stern that aids manoeuvrability – is believed to have been next to a pier when it sank.

It is not known if there were any casualties – or if the submarine had any nuclear fuel onboard at the time, although experts have deemed that likely, according to the Wall Street Journal, which initially broke the story. The submarine was eventually salvaged but it is believed that it will take many months before it can be put to sea.

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[–] wjrii 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Also: while I don’t know the selection process for US Navy submarines, my experience with the military is that you can have an opinion about how you want to be posted, but no actual decision-making ability. So I may hope to fly Navy jets, but the Navy can simply say: “fuck you, you’re going to be stationed on a submarine,” and there’s little I could do about it.

You not wrong in general, though with submarines in particular, longstanding policy in the US Navy is that you don't put people in them who aren't willing to give it a try, specifically because of those close quarters and limited options in an emergency. I have heard stories of people having a hard time getting other postings once they're qualified sub-mariners, but having a crew full of resentful balls of anxiety is not worth it to them.

I guess in return, they get a little more money, better food (at least until it runs out), a vague sense of exclusivity, and a more casual culture arising from the close quarters and the actual risk of death being a constant motivator to do your job well.

Something tells me the People's Liberation Army Navy might take a bit of a firmer approach to postings, but I don't know for sure.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

having a crew full of resentful balls of anxiety is not worth it to them.

I completely believe you. Still, at the time I was making the choice, I didn't know this; I knew for sure that while I was in, my self-determination would be strictly limited, but I didn't know details, and there was no. fucking. way. that I was going to risk being stationed on a sub.

a vague sense of exclusivity

I have a recollection about this being a thing: that there's a certain caché among Navy folks about being sub crew. I once knew a retired nuclear sub captain, and while he was a day drinker, he was pretty proud of his service. He also fell asleep in meetings, but I guess he did his job well enough for this all to be overlooked. I visited his office once (in our office in another city), and one of his bottom desk drawers was full of just bottles of whiskey. I've never encountered anything like that, before or since. But I digress.