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Yea instead of even attempting to engage with any of the points I made write a witty comment. That will show that you know what you're talking about! π
I literally didn't say what you said, as a matter of fact this entire thread says that its everyone's BUT Hamas fault. I was making a point that they could have and should have done significantly more to ensure that this tragedy doesn't happen.
What Israel is doing isn't good but pretending that this is a one sided issue is a ridiculous misunderstanding of the entire problem, which is by the way the theme of everyone who made up their minds in the last year regarding "which side they support"
I understand your anger, but my brother, the moment you wrote that Hamas "dragged Gaza with an endless war with Israel" you just lost it. There is a war because Israel wants to exterminate the palestinian population and feels so confident about it (because they have been so long endorsed and protected by USA thanks to their lobbies in that country) that are now openly and publicly talking about how even children should be murdered and how it is not inappropiate at all to rape palestinian prisoners up their asses to death.
And when Iran's Khamenei says that "Israel should be wiped out" -- that is not a "want to exterminate Jews"?
If they wiped out Israel there would still be Jews.
That's a horrible statement to make about a nation that seen thousands of years of genocides, pogroms, discrimination and displacement. You're just saying let's continue with that.
You have to understand that Israel is there and will be there, and you need to work from there to find a solution which also accommodates Palestine ( as an independent country ). There is no future for Palestine, however, where Iran-funded terrorist organisations are at its helm.
Didnt say they should do it, I'm saying its incorrect to say they want to kill all the Jews.
No, it isn't. BUT that doesn't mean I don't thing that's equally horrendous. I don't want anybody being murdered
Israel created Hamas by murdering Palestinians and illegally occupying their territory for decades. So blame Hamas all you want, but Hamas's existence is also Israel's fault.
So, if I extend your logic, if ISIS is America's fault ( which in many ways it is) we should have left Iraq and Syria to succumb to it?
Yes, US imperialism is responsible for much of what is going on in the middle east. I'm not going to pretend to know enough about those conflicts to answer your question, but I'm not exactly sure how it's relevant. But as a general rule, yeah the US should fuck off and stop interfering in other countries. It never helps and it's never truly motivated by selfless goals. America does not support Israel because Israel is "good", they support Israel because it's their proxy base in the middle east. Hence why not even Democrats give a fuck that their "closest ally" is murdering children daily.
The US should absolutely stop funding Israel and Israel should immediately withdraw from the Gaza, the West Bank, and its illegal settlements. Not sure what you expected me to say.
I'll just open with saying that I agree with your main point. Of course Israel is an ally of US, and US uses Israel to further their own gains in the region. The same can be said about literally any country in the world, though. It's just the military & economic power of the US, and going against is a dangerous game to play. I am not defending or saying that US is good, I am just stating the obvious. Even China is not always able to stand against the US.
Now to continue to my main point:
The point I was trying to make is that Israel-Palestine conflict is hyperfocused on, in a region that is extremely unstable and seen dozens of civil & international wars, coups & human rights abuses over the last few decades. Fighting ISIS killed thousands of civilians and displaced, at least, several million people. And while ISIS comitted many crimes against humanity, Russian & NATO bombs have also killed thousands of civilians. But people don't even know this. And don't seem to care.
Should I also talk about Kurds, who were also fighting that war (against ISIS) and despite that Turks are literally borderline genociding them whenever they get the chance, these people do not resort to terrorism?
It makes you wonder, why in this sea of instability, wars, coups and human rights abuses everyone hyperfocuses on one particular state, which is primarily inhabited by people who have been historically persecuted, killed and displaced consistently for thousands of years?
You're wondering why the west is hyperfocused on a genocide being committed by a nation state that is backed, funded, and armed by the united states?
And, say, Turkey isn't?