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As usual, he's now claiming it's just a joke. https://www.mediaite.com/news/elon-musk-deletes-appalling-and-indefensible-harris-biden-assassination-social-media-post/
Jokes have setups and payoffs. Humor is the subversion of the expectation and Musk's tweet has nothing resembling that.
Yeah i can imagine theres a definition he isnt meeting for him to call it a joke. Im saying i think he truly believes he wasnt being serious. I think he was being edgy and sarcastically accusing democratic elite of an assassination attempt.
And i would expect someone to follow up with how irresponsible that is, and that it still doesnt fit the webster definition of a joke. Please understand that im an imperfect human being who was giving their opinion about their perception of musks intention based on very little context.
Sometimes its impossible to post a comment of your own opinion when it could potentially be percieved as going against what is objectively morally right... when really there is no deeper meaning than my perception.
You might think he's being edgy. Hell, he might think(if he ever thinks) he's being edgy, but out of the numerous people who blindly follow him, how many do you think need to take him seriously and take him up on the suggestion.
There are jokes you can make to a private group of friends that you can't make to over a million people unless you really mean it. It doesn't help that twitter has a short character limit on messages. You simply cannot have a nuanced opinion on that site and need to consider that when making posts there.
I get why you would see someone calling it a joke and want to punish that because it was not funny and potentially dangerous.
But it can both be true that he was trying to make a joke, and that he was grossly irresponsible doing so.
You are telling me what i believe (that it wasnt a big deal) and im sorry but this reactive extrapolation of information that is constant and pervasive on sites like lemmy is something i hate and anyone can say im taking it too seriously but it keeps people from engaging/thinking instead of memeing.
Please define punishment in the context. Is criticizing Musk punishment?
What's the point you're trying to arrive at? Where he's making jokes or making stochastic terrorist comments, I can criticize him either way.
Everyone is coming to that conclusion. If you think everyone is misinterpreting your comments, that's because you are not a good communicator. I do not have the same problems as you.
I guess i have been overly defensive against you, but i saw your first semantic argument as being obtuse when to me, saying it was probably a joke does not evaluate to: 'musk is blameless and im siding with him'.
Defining a joke to me, seemed a little combative compared to asking me a clarifying question so i felt like you were trying to discredit me instead of trying to understand, which seemed like punishing a commenter for not aligning with the sentiment of the chain. In hindsight i think your comments were fair...
Forgive the run-on response: The top comment on this chain mentioned it was a joke, and the reply was that it was not a joke. I guess they could have meant that from the perspective of a semantic definition of the word joke. I interpreted it as them saying musk did not intend it as a joke.
When someone says "i was just joking", it does not always mean they delivered a joke by your definition provided above, in fact its usually the case that it doesnt because they are having to tell their audience its not a joke. If i were interpreting "i was just joking" with the intention to accurately understand that person, i would assume they meant: "i wasnt serious", "i thought it was funny to say that", or "whoops that wasnt recieved like i thought it would be".
All that to say: to me, musk genuinely seemed to miscalculate the poor taste of his comment. In my opinion, Musk didnt seem to try to incite violence, which is the basis for the outrage. He is just short-sighted and the consequences are far reaching compared to a normal person saying something which would otherwise just be "a bad joke".
Edit: And yeah to be clear i think he's an idiot. But i dont think he had evil intention here.