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South Park completely nailed the "removeds" episode. That was one for the ages. Aww c'mon, are we really worse than Reddit when it comes to censorship? Goddammit... Seems the "removeds" won.
while I actually loved that south park episode and their point that words (that word specifically) change their meaning over time, the "answer" they came up with is a joke of course. A joke that only works because bikers are upset and confused by the 'real' meaning of 'flag'. If the original meaning didn't exist it couldn't be used to hurt the bikers' feelings, it relies on its existing meaning to hurt them.
You cannot forcibly change what words mean. No matter how hard Trey and Matt wish they were iconoclasts and as much as i appreciate them? They REALLY aren't as clever as they think they are. What they did, if they had succeeded would just allow CHUDs to yell 'flag' at homosexuals and pretend they were calling them bikers, so it's a good thing it flopped.
As cool as it would be if "bundle of sticks" stopped being a slur, the slur itself is not the problem, the intent is. Intent behind calling bikers 'flags' is to make them feel like you're calling them homosexuals, relies on homosexuality itself being a slur. The end. No debate. Full stop. It doesn't even change anything, its hurting feelings RELIES on the meaning we currently agree on. Feel me?
According to Wikipedia, that slur is really only used in the US and Canada. If you go to the UK and say it, they will hand you a cigarette.
And that bit of fun was handled by a plot in "arrested development". MR F!
Totally agree on all counts. As a teen when it originally aired I thought it was funny for the reasons you outlined (Trey and Matt's intent) but yes in 2024 it just isn't okay anymore (if it ever was at all) and I bet Trey and Matt agree and wouldn't make that episode today
Can you reveal what's behind the censorship enforced by Lemmy.world without triggering it?
Alternatively I would suggest you look for another instance that isn't draconian.
I'm assuming he is talking about the biker gang episode, in which case he is probably talking about the F-word (meaning the slur against gay people).
Personally, I think having a filter against slurs is not unreasonable
Context is key though. Iβd say allow everything and let the downvotes be a filter.
Lemmy is still relatively new, and you grow the audience you nurture.
A lack of moderation means that racists, bigots, general assholes, etc, will find an easier time settling on this platform.
And I'll be honest, if that would be where Lemmy is headed I'm not sticking around to see it turn into that cesspool
I'm personally quite happy with the level of moderation I'm seeing on lemmy.world. It's not overly heavy handed, but it seems to generally be applied where it makes sense to apply. Essentially the "don't be a dick" rules of the forum days of old.
Somewhat.
If the poster themselves removed it, then no - these usually shows up as "deleted" rather than "removed" (but not always). Sometimes apps that don't properly pay attention to the removal request can still see these, but I know of no effective way to view these routinely, short of spinning up your own instance and archiving not only every post and comment but also all of their edits as well.
For mod removal, you can check the modlog (for your instance here, or the one for Lemmy.World, both of which theoretically should show the same contents, but in practice they don't for whatever reasons). Note that is the entire modlog for the entire Fediverse, so it requires filtering to find the specific post/comment that you want to know about. The Lemmy devs could help people see the modlog much easier, but they don't. They don't seem too big on such democratic efforts, and very often simply ban people outright, from the entire instance including communities they've never once visited, if you ever criticize what they say or if you say something that they do not agree with. Though they did recently release a feature to allow mods to do this - further increasing the power of the establishment, while leaving common plebes like us to have to filter the modlog (which also can hide the identity of the mod who removed it).
Ergo, I would not hold my breath waiting for this feature. At least not on Lemmy, but perhaps from the more democratically-managed PieFed or Sublinks or Mbin or such... I could really see that happening for those?
Edit: oh but for text like the "removed", hell no, that's also a lost cause - at least, again, on the Lemmy codebase, unless you use an instance that decides not to implement the language filtering.
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That also applies to the 1960s British youth subculture