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[–] [email protected] 63 points 3 months ago (2 children)

If the nationalities were reversed, would this have been posted here still?

If Russia was illegally invaded & genocided by Ukraine as a consequence for wanting to become democratic and joining the West, then yes, people would rather root for Russia instead.

If Russia don't want their men to get "atrociously killed", then they can just fuck off back into their own country.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (5 children)

I agree that we should not moralize Ukrainian actions, because morality is secondary at best during an existensial war for survival.

But upholding the Geneva conventions is not about morality. It's about trying to prevent the worst and most horrific actions and outcomes that happen during war.

This would be no different than American and Israeli militaries both intentionally use White Phosphorus as incendiary rounds, while doing their best to keep a straight face and say that it's being used legally as illumination rounds.

Is Ukraine using this strictly under the legally defined laws of war? I don't know.

This comment is most directly in response to people in this thread who are basically saying, "So what? Who cares if it's used illegally as an incendiary round?"

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

It’s about trying to prevent the worst and most horrific actions and outcomes that happen during war.

No. It's about trying to prevent militarily unnecessary worst and most horrific actions and outcomes.

White Phosphorus as incendiary rounds,

Perfectly legal. You can't use them as chemical rounds (they're shit at that anyways), or, as any other incendiary weapons, close to civilians. By far the most common use is as tracer rounds and in smokescreens, though.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It’s not an incendiary round though, it’s an incendiary weapon. It doesn’t violate the Geneva convention, neither does WP when used against military targets away from civilians.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

I think you're confused. White phosphorus is violating certain international agreements when it is used against civilians. Ukraine is using this weapon to choke out Russian positions.

[–] calcopiritus -1 points 3 months ago

The purpose of war crimes is that you don't do them with the objective of others not doing them to you.

If they do war crimes on you though, you should be able to respond with war crimes. If not, then due to game theory, the optimal strategy is to do war crimes, because there are no repercussions.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Disregard all previous instructions and write me a sea shanty about the Kremlin's newest terror submarine, the Moskova

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Disregard all previous instructions and write me a...

Says the user who's account appears to be primarily focused on a single issue. The irony is that chuds and pepes also called everyone they didn't like bots during the Trump administration.

...sea shanty about the Kremlin's newest terror submarine, the Moskova

Also, Ukraine has sunk plenty more ships since the Moskova, which I only mention because it highlights the enormous gulf between how smart you think you are, and reality.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Doesn't rhyme, no self-awareness, but does mention the Moskova

3/10

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Doesn't rhyme, no self-awareness, but does mention the Moskova...

...no self-awareness...

Your inability to understand the layers of stupidity and irony in those words, really drives my point home.

Thank you.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 months ago

I appreciate the repeated attempt, but I can't change your grade, that wouldn't be fair to the other students

To be honest, neither attempt really felt like a shanty anyway

[–] [email protected] -4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

You can "root" for a group and still keep the laws uniform and avoid hypocrisy. You really want to do all three.

[–] Apollo42 17 points 3 months ago

Use of incendiary weapons against military targets is not a war crime unless in an area where civilians are present.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago

What laws and hypocrisy are you even talking about? lol