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As we all know, AC won the "War of the Currents". The reasoning behind this is that AC voltage is easy to convert up/down with just a ring of iron and two coils. And high voltage allows us to transport current over longer distances, with less loss.

Now, the War of the Currents happened in 1900 (approximately), and our technology has improved a lot since then. We have useful diodes and transistors now, we have microcontrollers and Buck/Boost converters. We can transform DC voltage well today.

Additionally, photovoltaics produces DC naturally. Whereas the traditional generator has an easier time producing AC, photovoltaic plants would have to transform the power into AC, which, if I understand correctly, has a massive loss.

And then there's the issue of stabilizing the frequency. When you have one big producer (one big hydro-electric dam or coal power plant), then stabilizing the frequency is trivial, because you only have to talk to yourself. When you have 100000 small producers (assume everyone in a bigger area has photovoltaics on their roof), then suddenly stabilizing the frequency becomes more challenging, because everybody has to work in exactly the same rhythm.

I wonder, would it make sense to change our power grid from AC to DC today? I know it would obviously be a lot of work, since every consuming device would have to change what power it accepts from the grid. But in the long run, could it be worth it? Also, what about insular networks. Would it make sense there? Thanks for taking the time for reading this, and also, I'm willing to go into the maths, if that's relevant to the discussion.

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[–] NeoNachtwaechter 19 points 3 months ago (5 children)

The grid does not work in 230V.

It works from 10kV up to hundreds of kV. Most of your arguments do not count there.

DC is good inside the house, and maybe to the next house. If I would build a new house today, I would build extra wires everywhere for AC and for DC 24V and 5V.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

build extra wires everywhere for AC and for DC 24V and 5V.

Are there actually any appliances that take DC over a standard plug? Or would you just put in usb receptacles instead or something?

[–] NeoNachtwaechter 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Good question. I have not decided such things, since I am not actually planning to do it.

I would start some research then about plugs, how others do it.

Regarding appliances, I would also build many things myself, lights etc.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

High voltage DC is used for transmission at 10s to 100s of kV already.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

Dc transmission lines at 10kv? Dc transmission lines make sense when you need to pass a really long distance or you can only use underground cables because those have a much higher capacitaance, i.e. high reaktive currents.

If you need to supply your rural area or town you will go from some 20kv lines down to lots of 3kv and then 400v lines with multiple transformers everywhere. Dc transmission doesnt make sense here, but supplying a grid from really far away with a single line? Yea.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

I wonder what it would be like converting DC to DC at those voltages and power.

[–] r_deckard 2 points 3 months ago

The fellow who built my house in the early 1990s was thinking ahead. Dual circuits, one for lighting on 24VDC and one for power on 240VAC.

If you're referring to 5VDC circuit for USB devices, you can get GPO plates with USB power sockets: https://www.sparkydirect.com.au/power-points/usb-powerpoints