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[–] TropicalDingdong 94 points 1 month ago (32 children)

I mean there is a fucking valley between now and 2020.

First, he's not the President. That gave him an overwhelming advantage in trying to steal that election. He held power.

Second, we're looking out for it this time. And its not like Trump is actually off the hook for the last go at it either.

So yes, take heed and pay attention. But also, the difficulty of what he frankly almost go away with the first time (if he would have been able to get Pence to play ball; if the inssurectionists would have strung Pelosi up on a gallows, where might we be?). The difficulty of stealing an election while not in power and while we're looking for it. OF course he's going to claim it was stolen. But fuck him. We don't have to regard his claims.

[–] danc4498 23 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Worth noting, though, Trump’s plan to steal the election is at a more local level than before. Focusing on election officials and people that certify results. I could see a scenario where a state is won by shenanigans.

Remembering the 2000 election that the Supreme Court stole from Al Gore, there were counties in Florida that were ordered to do recounts, but didn’t start the recount for weeks because they knew it would only benefit Gore. In the end, Gore lost because the recounts took too long and the partisan Supreme Court decided they had to stop.

Lesson here is that local officials can easily make an impact in the final results, and republicans have no ethics in the matter.

[–] SkyezOpen 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Yeah didn't a few states just make it legal for officials to ignore election results? And the federal government doesn't have oversight in how states run federal elections so... 2024 might even be worse than 2020.

[–] n1ck_n4m3 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Georgia (ya know, a typical battleground state) just made it legal for the voting board to refuse to certify elections indefinitely without any burden of proof of malicious activity. It's also 3-2 Republican on the voting board, so, I'm 100% sure it doesn't matter if 100% of people vote for Harris, the Republicans will declare some kind of voting incongruety with absolutely no proof and refuse to certify the election. They've already refused to certify several elections in GA when it was illegal to do so and wouldn't you know it, the Republicans in charge were never held accountable for it -- instead they fucking legalized it.

This is the real threat to our democracy -- it's not an insurrection at the capital, it's a bunch of loyalist fascist cronies being puppeteered by a madman hell bent on stealing the presidency.

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