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Soon, Old Glory will have to be born in the land of the free and not merely flying over it.

Congress has passed a proposal to require the federal government to purchase only American flags that have been completely manufactured in the U.S. The U.S. imports millions of American flags from overseas, mostly from China, and the sponsors of the proposal said it’s time for American flags to originate in the country they represent.

Supporters of the proposal, led by Republican Sen. Susan Collins of Maine and Democratic Sen. Sherrod Brown of Ohio, said the change is more than just symbolic — they believe it will support American jobs and manufacturers while preserving the nation’s most recognized banner.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Every one of those things was incremental. Of course women never had a partial right to vote which grew stronger all the time. They suddenly had all of that right at once. But the process that got us there was incremental change in people's perceptions and attitudes. And that whole issue was one increment in the broader picture of all rights and protections for all people.

I'm very grateful to be alive today (and in the US) rather than 150 years ago. I owe most of that thanks to folks who worked peacefully, often in the face of terrible violence, to persuade good people to rethink their bad policies.

We have much further to go, of course.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

New Jersey women who were land owning could vote since 1776 and in the 1800s Wyoming and Utah would pass universal suffrage rights to women because they were not states but territories.

Utah would later lose that after women disagreed with the men of Congress on polygamy and restrictions were put in place including voting.

New Jersey would lose their right during a later amendment but Colorado and California and Idaho all passed state referendums on women's suffrage before the federal change.

Seriously what's up with US history classes? Suffrage is very interesting and has a lot of weirdness.

Look at Sweden who only allowed Widows and divorcees to vote after changing it from Guild members of any gender or race. And then it gets even more messy.

Rights, It's about getting it more and more accepted until it becomes impossible to ignore and then getting it protected through legal and community means. Nothing ever stops either and it's a slog to keep going.

[–] Viking_Hippie -3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Every one of those things was incremental

No. That's flat out false. The literal opposite of reality.

the process that got us there was incremental change in people's perceptions and attitudes

That's not incremental politics, though, that's natural cultural progress that happens regardless (if not in spite) of your precious moderates.

MLK was right about moderates: they always have been and always will be much more devoted to order than to justice.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That's not incremental politics, though, that's natural cultural progress that happens regardless (if not in spite) of your precious moderates.

I said nothing about incremental politics nor about moderates.

[–] Viking_Hippie -2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

So that's where you want the goal posts to be now that you've been proven wrong?

I've said what needed to be said and have better things to do with my time than indulging the bad faith distortions of delusional liberals, so have the day you deserve.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I have no idea why you are so angry, nor who you think you're arguing with (it certainly isn't me). I hope things get better for you soon. Really.

[–] Viking_Hippie 0 points 4 months ago