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Kids? A Growing Number of Americans Say, ‘No, Thanks.’ (www.nytimes.com)

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Like Ms. McKay, a growing number of U.S. adults say they are unlikely to raise children, according to a study released on Thursday by the Pew Research Center. When the survey was conducted in 2023, 47 percent of those younger than 50 without children said they were unlikely ever to have children, an increase of 10 percentage points since 2018.

When asked why kids were not in their future, 57 percent said they simply didn’t want to have them. Women were more likely to respond this way than men (64 percent vs. 50 percent). Further reasons included the desire to focus on other things, like their career or interests; concerns about the state of the world; worries about the costs involved in raising a child; concerns about the environment, including climate change; and not having found the right partner.

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[–] givesomefucks 67 points 3 months ago (11 children)

Not having kids is the only way some of them are gonna be able to afford to live, and less people 30 years from now means they might even be able to afford a place to live if they can retire.

There's always fearmongering when populations god down, but historically it's the only time periods normal people can claw back some wealth from the 0.1%

Which is why the wealthy always freak the fuck out. They do t care about people, they care about labor supply, and the more people the cheaper labor.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

Having fewer children is something that is positively-correlated with a society being wealthy, rather than the other way around.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/children-per-woman-fertility-rate-vs-level-of-prosperity

The phenomenon of societies having their birth rate fall off as they become wealthier is called the demographic transition.

And further, that correlation exists across a number of axes:

Time (that is, as societies have become wealthier, the number of children they have has dropped).
Space (poorer societies today tend to have more children than wealthier societies do).
Within a society. Poorer people in society tend to have more children. Here's the US, and more-generally:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_and_fertility

Income and fertility is the association between monetary gain on one hand, and the tendency to produce offspring on the other. There is generally an inverse correlation between income and the total fertility rate within and between nations.[3][4] The higher the degree of education and GDP per capita of a human population, subpopulation or social stratum, the fewer children are born in any developed country.

[–] givesomefucks 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Having fewer children is something that is positively-correlated with a society being wealthy, rather than the other way around.

Correlation is not causation, there's no "other way around"...

But what you're talking about is the drop in fertility due to industrialization and other periods where children worked less and cost more.

That's different than what I'm talking about; when a labor supply shrinks it means workers get paid more.

That's just basic supply and demand.

We're both right, just talking about different things.

[–] phcorcoran 5 points 3 months ago

I took "rather than the other way around" to mean "rather than negatively-correlated" in this context, since positively was emphasized

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