this post was submitted on 25 Jul 2024
864 points (97.2% liked)

politics

19148 readers
4119 users here now

Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!

Rules:

  1. Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.

Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.

Example:

  1. Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
  2. Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
  3. No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
  4. Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
  5. No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.

That's all the rules!

Civic Links

Register To Vote

Citizenship Resource Center

Congressional Awards Program

Federal Government Agencies

Library of Congress Legislative Resources

The White House

U.S. House of Representatives

U.S. Senate

Partnered Communities:

News

World News

Business News

Political Discussion

Ask Politics

Military News

Global Politics

Moderate Politics

Progressive Politics

UK Politics

Canadian Politics

Australian Politics

New Zealand Politics

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] [email protected] 78 points 4 months ago (6 children)

I hope Republicans get absolutely crushed to the point that it becomes clear catering to the extremists and conspiracy theorists is not tenable. Then they have 4 years to try to rebuild from the ashes and try to present a reasonable platform instead of something insane.

[–] AFKBRBChocolate 33 points 4 months ago

For sure, though I said the same thing in 2020 and was disappointed at how close it was. Really a terrible reflection on the country.

[–] itsgoodtobeawake 16 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I hope they are crushed, learn nothing and double down on it by running with Trump again, this time fully campaigning from prison.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Looking forward to 82 year old trump vs Harris 2028

[–] samus12345 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Followed by 86 year old Trump vs, I dunno, Kelly maybe?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

There's nothing in the constitution that says a corpse can't run for office. He meets all the requirements.

[–] samus12345 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Trump is there to stay as long as they continue to embrace fascism.

[–] AbidanYre 9 points 4 months ago (2 children)
[–] samus12345 10 points 4 months ago

Yes, until he dies. I assume they'll continue to invoke St. Trump afterwards.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 4 months ago (4 children)

I prefer the Republicans offer a reasonable alternative so that Democrats can actually be held accountable. Currently Democrats can engage in insider trading, pass laws that help their stocks, continue to give weapons to war criminals, and you still have to come out in droves to vote for them or the country becomes a Dictatorship.

If Republicans are forced to rebuild and offer someone that isn't going to run the country and everyone's freedoms into the ground, (or better yet completely crash and burn allowing an actual leftist party the chance to be the 2nd party) then Democrats can actually be held accountable if they pass shitty laws.

[–] freddydunningkruger 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

https://www.ossoff.senate.gov/press-releases/sens-ossoff-kelly-introduce-bill-banning-stock-trading-by-members-of-congress-2/

I like how you disengenuiously phrase everything. Oh Lordy, I wish the Republicans could force those filthy Democrats to stop their cheating ways, or I swear I'll faint!!

Meanwhile, there are already Democrats who ARE proposing fixes to your little list. LOL, we don't need Republicans to hold Democrats accountable, we need them to vote with the Democrats trying to fix the problems. But good luck with that

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Yep. If you're a progressive and you want an actual progressive party, the only way to do that in this current (two party) system, is to shift the Overton Window to the left such that the current Democratic party becomes the center-right party (replacing the far right Republicans entirely), and said new progressive party, the left.

That means voting Democrat (including down ballot, which would be especially important in shifting local politics to the left) for now while continuing to do everything in our power to promote and support progressive candidates.

And this would take several election cycles. The collective ADHD of social media addled brains of Gen Z voters is another massive hurdle. They haven't seemed to grasp yet just how slow things can move in politics (which by itself isn't inherently good or bad).

How do you get them to stay engaged for 12+ years when it may seem like nothing is getting better?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

According to Insider, Sens. Ossoff and Sen. Kelly were two of only 10 sitting members of Congress last Congress to place their portfolios in blind trusts.

Oh no! I criticised something only most Democrats are doing! That must mean I support Republicans!

At no point did I say Republicans need to hold Democrats responsible. What I said was I want Republicans to present an at least somewhat reasonable alternative so that the voters can hold Democrats responsible without risking the safety of marginalized people.

If 10 Democrats are trying to stop this that's great, the problem is you still have to vote for the 100 other Democrats that are gleefully taking part because the alternative is literal fascism. Democrats don't have to actually try to improve people's lives because what are you going to do, not vote and let the Republicans win?

I would not have expected "I wish there were 2 reasonable candidates to choose from" would be a controversial take, but I suppose American "Politics" is more tribalism than anything else.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

I prefer the Republicans offer a reasonable alternative so that Democrats can actually be held accountable.

I used to say (and believe) things like this. The fact is, it cannot exist. Reasonable people don't run for office as a Republican, full stop.

[–] davidagain 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You want the Republican party to compete with the Democrats by attempting to make things fairer, less corrupt and more honourable than the Democrats?! It's like expecting Biden to be the youthful candidate, Trump to be the honest and rational candidate and Bernie to be the corporate shill all in one.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

No, I meant making a 3rd party actually potentially viable

[–] davidagain 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That's really not how your previous post reads to me, apart from the thing in brackets.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The rest of my post was saying I want Republicans to not be a dumpster fire that is going down the fascism hole. They don't need to be "fairer, less corrupt and more honourable than the Democrats," they just need to not be taking away established human rights when they're in power so that not voting for Democrats if they aren't behaving can be a reasonable option.

[–] davidagain 4 points 4 months ago
[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

I think that as long as winner take all first past the post remains the method here there will never be room for more than 2 parties.

[–] ChronosTriggerWarning 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I prefer the Republicans offer a reasonable alternative so that Democrats can actually be held accountable.

What color is the sky in your world?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

"I would prefer a functioning democracy"

"What fantasy world are you living in?"

Americans are full on drinking the Kool-aid aren't they?

[–] ChronosTriggerWarning 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Republicans being reasonable? Reasonable Republicans holding Democrats responsible? For what?!?!

You're down k hole and experiencing a fever dream.

And it was Flavor-Ade. Get yer shit straight.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

What I said was I would prefer if Republicans were a somewhat reasonable option, that wouldn't be taking away people's rights or diving straight in fascism, so that voters could hold Democrats responsible.

Basically, wouldn't it be nice if you didn't have to vote for a Democrat if they didn't follow through on their promises or engaged in unethical behaviour?

[–] ChronosTriggerWarning 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Short answer: yes. I'd prefer we move away from a two party system and embrace something like ranked choice or STAR to promote more voices at the table, but that takes away power from both Dems and Repubs, so it ain't happening anytime soon.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

That sounds great too. The person I was originally replying to said they hoped Trump lost and continued to be the candidate for the next couple of elections, which would not lead to a more stable or functioning democracy. (No third party has a chance when there's a risk of actual fascism if the Republican's win.)

[–] ilinamorato 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Let the Tories in the UK be a terrible warning for them.

[–] samus12345 14 points 4 months ago

Let the American voters follow the example of the UK's voters this year!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago

They haven't been reasonable since Nixon

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I think the party would destroy itself long before they become introspective enough to straighten their shit out.

This isn't just a political party we're talking about, it's essentially a cult. Maybe not every Trump voter is in that deep, but enough are to cause a serious schism in the party.

I just hope that this time, the allegedly anti-Trump Republicans have the balls (or lady-nuts) to actually say/do something rather than falling in line and kissing the ring.

Unless we're still talking Russian kompromat... If that's the case, whatever they have on these people must be truly horrific.