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[–] joel1974 32 points 1 month ago (15 children)
[–] linearchaos 12 points 1 month ago (14 children)

I vividly remember Clinton leading in polls too. The polls are rigged, Don't worry about them just a vote.

[–] jhymesba 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I like the sentiment if not the wording here. The only poll that matters is the one conducted on 5 November. All others are just tools the campaigns use to motivate voters and direct campaigners. If you want your guy or gal to win, you need to act as if you're 2 points down in the polls and vote accordingly.

[–] hydrospanner 7 points 1 month ago

Well said.

It's also worth remembering that literally any poll conducted is only displaying data based on people who voluntarily respond to polls.

Even when Biden was still running, the results were always going to be flawed based on the simple fact that far more Trump voters are the sort of rabid, loud people with nothing better to do than to let someone know what they think about politics, vs Biden voters who were motivated in large part by nothing more significant than "I just don't want trump".

The first person is going to be happy to spend 15 minutes on the phone with anyone willing to listen to their political thoughts. The second person is hanging up.

[–] lennybird 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Can we agree on these bullet-points? If so I'll adjust and use going forward.

  • Individual polls from reputable pollsters can be a barometer for a snapshot in time, but they may also be outliers.
  • An aggregation of many reputable polls during the same period of time is a more accurate snapshot in time.
  • Long-term trends can be very useful and give more extrapolative trajectories (e.g., the long-term downward decline of Biden's aggregate national approval ratings and his steady decline in swing-states leading to a change in strategy and his stepping down).
  • Still, such polls may not accurately represent fringe groups (though many pollsters compensate in a variety of ways).
  • We shouldn't just blindly follow the polls (blind-leading-the-blind mentality)—e.g., if the case is never made for something, then it never gets popular. Bernie Sanders heavily advocated for Universal Healthcare and we of course have seen an adjustment in polling instead of simply reacting to its initial unpopularity—but we also shouldn't ignore trends.
  • Polls don't dictate what people do in the moment, or say or do later; instead, they're a reflection of where they are at in the moment.
  • Every advocate should have the mindset of trying to change polls to their advantage; this by active campaigning (canvassing, phone-banking, fundraising, etc.), change of messaging, etc.
  • Context should always be considered when discussing polling. (e.g., in isolation, Biden's debate could be considered, "just one bad night, and we can swing polls back," without considering the long-term concern that was already present over his immutable vice — age/cognitive-decline.)
  • No matter what the polls say, winning, tying, or losing... Always and I mean always Register and VOTE. Not just this, but drag 3-5 other people to register and vote with you.
[–] jhymesba 1 points 1 month ago

Yeah. This can be quibbled with, but it puts the most important thing at the bottom: Polls are meaningless unless you GOTV.

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