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We need to eat. We don't need tol take joy in aninal deaths. These are different things and the meme is dumb.
Except you don't need to eat animals and so it is the same. You're killing animals for your entertainment, just because you eat them after that doesn't change anything.
People have eaten meat for thousands of years. That's been a matter of survival, not entertainment. But my comment was about people taking joy in killing, which is what the meme is about, not taking joy in eating,. I appreciate your zeal but I'd prefer you to not ascribe to me arguments I didn't make
you don't know what they need. and I seriously doubt they are killing for entertainment. I doubt they kill anything at all.
Paying someone to kill someone/something for you is still killing.
"but what if they have a medical condition that doesn't exist that I just made up"
Pretty unlikely.
most people don't do that, either
how do you think meat gets to the grocery store? someone has to kill an animal, and the person buying the meat typically pays money for it.
the person doing the killing is usually paid by someone but most people are neither killing nor paying the killers. they are both paid long before someone walks into a grocery store.
they are paid because people buy the products. if nobody bought the products, there would be no money in it. are you trying to say that people would be paid to kill animals even if nobody bought animal products?
i'm saying i know how linear time works, so i know that buying meat on a shelf can't have caused the animal it came from to be killed.
Its not buying it that causes the death, its that you've shown you want the meat, so the company is killing the animal to produce the meat for you to buy.
You want meat, they produce meat. You dont want meat, they stop producing meat.
meat production increases every year
Because more people want meat every year.
make any excuse you want, it is a fact that being vegan doesn't stop the growth of the industry.
so you're saying that they would just keep killing more and more animals to produce more and more meat even if nobody wanted to buy it?
no, that's a strawman.
please explain to me how what i wrote is different from what you wrote
what i wrote is that being vegan has not had the effect you are proposing it would. you are making up a scenario where it might work and asking why i don't think it would work in that scenario.
being vegan is literally about not supporting the meat industry, so i genuinely do not understand what you're trying to say. that one person alone being vegan won't make a difference? that not supporting the meat industry is the same as supporting the meat industry, which is demonstrably false? i don't know of a more easy and effective way for a single person to make a difference than to stop supporting it altogether, and broad change starts with individuals deciding to make that change.
and you can do that, but don't claim it's an
because you can see that it has not stopped the growth of the industry and it has not led to a shrinking of the industry.
yeah dude vegans make up a pretty small portion of the population, so of course the meat industry hasn't been just erased like magic. societal changes like this happen at a glacial pace and the idea is that more people become vegan over time and thus demand for those products gradually falls. even if 10% of the population went vegan, demand for those products would fall by 10% and there would be that many less animals killed for it because it would not be profitable.
to claim that it is ineffective is like claiming that eating healthy makes no difference from eating like shit after doing it for a single day and not seeing amazing results.
markets don't follow natural law like biology does.
i think you need to look up how supply and demand works. i've exhausted my "arguing with people on the internet who clearly don't want their minds changed" time for today, so have a good one.
i'm intimately aware of the price discovery theory you've mentioned, but it does not have any real predictive power, and it makes no claims about how production levels are impacted by markets.
i don't know how you can prove this.
ok? that doesn't change the effectiveness of being vegan.
I didn't say anything about a medical condition
sure thing edgelord.
I don't think you know what that word means.
coulda stopped there.
Furthermore, I don't care what you think. You come up with silly bullshit like 'you're killing animals for entertainment' as if they're not consumed for food. Dislike meat eating all you want, but use your fucking brain - if it's being killed for consumption (it's an industry, so like, that part is important, capitalism gotta cha-ching or it's not doing it's insidious thing) and the factories aren't putting out a live stream, in fact, they go to great lengths to make sure NO ONE from the outside see how the sausage is made. So it's not entertainment.
With thoughts like these, it would be counterproductive to waste any time caring what you think about, that would be a waste of calories.
The "entertainment" here I believe refers to the pleasurable experience of eating the animal as food. Since it's not out of necessity
I don't eat for entertainment, I don't have that kind of budget.
and I don't think the people eating pork are doing it from a "GEE THIS SURE IS LUXURIOUS INPUT" - I think it's mostly cheap protein with many downsides.
yes I still eat bacon when I can get it. no I don't consider it 'entertainment' .
what a silly discussion.
Beans and lentils are cheaper protein, you buy meat because you prefer the taste. That's a type of entertainment.
your face is a type of entertainment.
Go back to reddit, prion brained dipshit.
daww did you talk shit then get your feeeeeelings hurt baby?
go suck a gourd, vegboy
I'm vegan btw. The meme is making fun of people who eat for taste pleasure and not any other type :)
no one but vegans form the phrase "taste pleasure".
Imagine I have two choices: end world hunger, or end world hunger and kick a puppy. If I choose to end world hunger but also kick a puppy...well I'm kinda a dick, right? Ultimately I did a very good thing ending word hunger, so on balance, my actions are "net positive." But the choice I actually made was to kick a puppy.
Now, I need to eat. So I have a choice: eat yummy food and don't kill an animal, or eat yummier food and do kill and animal. The choice I'm effectively faced with is, "kill an animal for better taste."
It's totally up to you to decide if that is a good choice for you personally.
If course it's not always so simple, and there are financial, cultural, and health reasons that complicate this. But for some folks (like myself) that's kinda how I view it.
Oh I fully agree that not eating meat is the better alternative. I just thing the meme was stupid. There's plenty of valid reasons to promote eating less meat without making up strawmen