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[–] damnedfurry 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Gender identity doesn't get assigned at birth. There is no "gender" field on a birth certificate.

Sex gets identified at birth (at the latest, usually before, during pregnancy, unless specifically requested to keep it secret).

Two reasons this is important to point out:

  • Assignment implies that the act of assigning is what makes it so. It's not. If a doctor says that a male baby is female, it's not now female just because they said so. "Identify" is a much more accurate description of what the doctor is doing.
  • The whole premise of "transness" being a thing relies on the notion of sex and gender being two distinct, independently-variable traits. So be careful not to conflate them. It causes needless confusion, since conflating them literally undermines the whole thing--after all, if "sex" and "gender" are equivalent, then it's objectively impossible to be trans.
[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I very much agree with this point. My reaction there was mostly just a gut response to being excluded from trans spaces in the past for not being "trans enough" and I could've worded it better.

[–] damnedfurry 2 points 4 months ago

It just frustrates me how much trans people/activists fuck up their own messaging with confusing/ambiguous/self-contradicting rhetoric, you know?

Another major example imo, is using the single word "gender", both to describe gender identity (something an individual person has), and gender roles (something a society has), sometimes in the same damn sentence.

The best way to ensure a discussion isn't productive is to make sure that the 'discussers' are using the same terms, but are defining them differently, lol...