cross-posted from: https://slrpnk.net/post/11221842
this post was submitted on 08 Jul 2024
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I'll vote if Biden is replaced.
Me too.
I'll also vote if he's not.
Blue all the way down the ticket. Fuck the agitprop. Save the Republic.
Save the Republic!
I like this new slogan
Biden can't save shit, he's behind Trump in Democratic strongholds like New Jersey.
If he doesn't stand aside he's going to lose. If we don't force him out then we're fucked.
So your argument is "it's crucial we beat Trump, so i won't vote against him"?
I want neither Biden nor Trump to be president. If we replace him then Trump will be defeated by someone who isn't Biden, which means I get what I want. You don't want Trump to be president. If we replace Biden, Trump can actually be defeated and you get what you want. If Biden is the nominee, Trump is abslutely going to win and then neither of us get what we want.
It's win/win if we replace him, lose/lose if we don't, and instead of working together you just want to be a splitter. 😞
Except you don't have control over who the dem nominee will be. The only actual control you have is over your own vote. So you either vote for a bad president or, by not voting, you accept a pro dictator will likely take control and actively work towards dismantling democracy
She's a tankie. That's exactly what they crave.
The control we have over our votes gives us leverage that we can use to force the DNC to change the nominee. They won't nominate Biden if they are certain he is going to lose. We just need to make sure they understand he can not win.
Cool. So you’re down with Trump. Got it.
If you actually cared about defeating Trump then you'd want to replace Biden with someone who can actually win.
That's probably the dumbest thing you've said so far in this thread. Of course most people want someone to replace Biden. There are even polls about this. People within the party itself want someone to replace him. But you're advocating withholding your vote AFTER Biden decides to not leave office. That's not going to force him to do a thing. It's like the right wingers buying the product they're trying to boycott so they can destroy it.
There is no mechanism by which you can force Biden to quit the race before the vote. Abstaining from voting after he decides to not quit will not harm Biden. Biden's already said that he'll be ok if he just "tries his best". What you'll actually be doing is harming literally everybody else around you because of your stupid, short sighted, impotent rage.
No I'm not! I'm threatening to withhold my vote if Biden is not replaced by the Party at the convention. What he decides doesn't matter, he doesn't get to force the Party to nominate him.
It's the Party that I'm focused on here.
You realize that it’s not just Biden we’re voting for. It’s his entire cabinet. And if you don’t think they can or even have done anything worth reelection- then I guess choosing against your best interest is quite possibly your only option.
I do hope though, that you find time to enjoy all the benefits that come with losing democracy. Up to and including the continued suffering and genocide of Palestine.
Because that is really what’s on the table, right? I mean. You’re essentially trying to hold democracy as hostage in order to appear as if you actually give a shit about a place you probably couldn’t have pointed to on a map less than a year ago?
And even knowing that your bit Donald “finish the job” Trump is going to essential turn Palestine into a crater… you’ll be fine as long as it wasn’t Biden that did it.
Right?
You're holding me hostage! "Vote the way I tell you or the government is going to kill you."
I will not be intimidated.
I'm trans in a red state. I am going to die if Trump gets elected and if Biden is the nominee Trump will be the President.
Replacing Biden is now life or death for me.
So I have to do this. There is no other choice. Shikata ga nai. I'm going to put my fucking life on the line to stop Biden from getting Trump elected, because this is the last chance. The Convention is coming. Do or die.
What a fucking weird take.
“I’m going to die if Trump is elected, so I dare not vote against him!”
If I didn’t know better, I’d think you were entirely full of shit. Good thing I know better, right?
Why don't you want Biden to be replaced?
Sorry, no. THIS is the dumbest thing you've said in this thread.
"I'm going to die if this party doesn't get enough votes!"
"I'm not going to vote for this party!"
Good lord.
Why don't you want Biden to be replaced?
I do want him to be replaced, actually. I think it's ludicrous that he decided to run again, and that the party is going along with it. But withholding my vote in the general election when they inevitably line up behind him as a way of showing my dissatisfaction with their decision would be the dumbest thing I could possibly do.
You said it yourself: Republicans in power very well could be disastrous for you. The solution, then, is to vote blue, regardless of who they pick. Your plan to not vote in protest is sheer lunacy.
How do you expect to be able to force the DNC to replace him without leveraging your vote?
Do you really not understand how cause and effect work? Is that the problem? How in the name of fuck would you withholding your vote in November in any way affect the DNC's decision in August? Do you believe that posting your ultimatum on lemmy will move the needle in the minds of the convention-goers??
Magic thinking - not JUST for the far-right!
I'm still unconvinced that any actual thinking at all, magic or otherwise, was applied here.
"If I believe REALLY hard it'll come true!"
Maybe that's it - queermunist is just a wh40k ork.
I'm pledging to withhold my vote now, and if I don't follow through with my threat then it's hollow
Do you not understand how threats work? A threat that won't be followed through on is worthless.
(also nothing anyone says on lemmy matters, posting is just for fun and a way to make myself really mad lol)
It's not hollow. It's completely meaningless.
That's very funny coming from you, because you so clearly do not. In order for a threat to work, people have to actually realize that you're making a threat. Do you have a public presence? Any significant pull with anybody? A large and committed fanbase? Or are you just some idiotic nobody that nobody gives a fuck about yelling into the wind, like the rest of us? I very much suspect it's the last of these, which means that you're basically doing the equivalent of whispering your christmas list into a corner and then getting mad when Santa doesn't deliver you what you asked for.
!remindme 3 months