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[–] givesomefucks 101 points 4 days ago (63 children)

I hope everyone that keeps down voting me for talking about WW3 are right...

But man, it really is starting to look like WW3

[–] Chainweasel 42 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (11 children)

They didn't start calling WWII what it is until 1944, but I think we can all agree it didn't start in 1944.
Just like later historians placed the start of WWII on multiple different events depending on which country you're in, the start of World War III will be long before we start calling it that.
I'm in the camp that the start of WW3 will be the Russian invasion of Ukraine if things continue to escalate the way they're going, because that's when you really started seeing lines being drawn between the axis and allies.
Russia, China, Iran, and NK are the most recognizable names that have aligned themselves with the axis so far.
The lines are already drawn and future events will dictate whether or not we're currently living in WW3 today.

[–] Brunbrun6766 12 points 4 days ago (4 children)

And some would argue that WW1 was WW2 and WW2 WAS WW3. The 7 years war/French and Indian (not French vs Indian) war are commonly referred to as the real first world war. And then the Nepoleonic wars are similarly thought of by some to have been a world war of sorts

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago (2 children)

WWI was called the great war, and the war to end all wars until WWII broke out. I sometimes call WWII just the great war part 2 - the treaties that "ended" WWI were clearly setup (on hindsight!) to make the war break out again in the future when Germany got sick of those treaties.

The point is names are added after the fact and often don't make a lot of sense if you know details.

[–] Kyrgizion 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

“This is not a peace. It is an armistice for twenty years!”

Ferdinand Foch, 1921

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

He was right for the wrong reasons. He believed the treaty was too lenient, when in retrospect it seems pretty clear that the punitive nature of the treaty was a significant factor in Hitler rising to power and then WW2 starting.

[–] Brunbrun6766 1 points 3 days ago

For sure, I know allll about that stuff (former history teacher)

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