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[–] WhatYouNeed -2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Where do you put the waste? For how long and at what cost?

What about the cost of decommissioning nuclear sites at the end of their life?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Right now the volume of waste is low enough that they store it on-site. Coal ash disposal is far more of a problem, and has led to major contamination incidents.

What figures do you have on decomissioning? How much does a coal or natural gas plant or oil refinery cost to decommission? Do plants need to be decommissioned or can they be incrementally upgraded?

Have you done any background on this or are you sealioning?

[–] noisefree 3 points 5 months ago

I wish it was more widely known by the average person that coal ash is radioactive and contains heavy metals like lead and arsenic due to concentration of elements that were found in trace amounts in the coal and remain once the coal is burnt. It's horrible how poorly coal ash was handled (or purposefully used in construction) in the past and how contamination events still happen with little meaningful consequence to energy companies.

[–] WhatYouNeed -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

In the UK, the decommissioning plan is to take at least 120 years, at an estimated cost of £126 billion pounds.

£126B would buy a lot of renewable sources... (fuck coal, gas or oil)

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/nuclear-provision-explaining-the-cost-of-cleaning-up-britains-nuclear-legacy/nuclear-provision-explaining-the-cost-of-cleaning-up-britains-nuclear-legacy

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

That’s for one plant?

Edit: Oh. 17 of the earliest plants starting from the 50s. This has nothing to do with the construction and maintenance of modern nuclear power infrastructure.

There are 2-3 million abandoned oil and gas wells in the US. https://www.nrdc.org/stories/millions-leaky-and-abandoned-oil-and-gas-wells-are-threatening-lives-and-climate

Solar and wind are cheaper, but are variable, and have geographic limitations or high land use (45,000 acres of solar to equal the output of a modern nuclear plant). There is a place for nuclear, along with other carbon-free generation sources.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

In the ground, very deep, forever, for not nearly as much money as you might think. It takes up very, very little space. It's not green liquid that can spill, it's pieces of glass.

[–] FooBarrington 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

We did that in Germany, and it's now contaminating groundwater, as the very deep hole is flooding with water.

[–] RealFknNito 1 points 5 months ago

You put things around the glass so that groundwater never touches the 'glass'. Again, very different now from the days we started.