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You asked about ACAB and got an answer about ACAB. This feels like a cope.
Oh.
I see
If you think you can only come up with ax partial answer, it's usually an indication you don't understand the concept as well as you think and a good idea to just skip trying to come up with an answer.
Your talk if you want to! I'm just saying it might confuse the situation unless you have a complete answer.
I thought you did that deliberately so I was wondering why you were explaining what a slice was when I asked about making a pizza.
I'm not the same guy, it's just obvious to everyone else here what he was saying since we don't need our hands held through every implication.
If bad cops can just get rid of others who call out bad behavior, what is left but the corrupt and the complicit? Hence, complacency is bad too so ACAB.
First it was "tangent", then it was, "ax partial answer", so now what is your excuse?
Making assumptions and looking for excuses is the reason you Don't understand.
"If bad cops can just get rid of others who call out bad behavior, what is left but the corrupt and the complicit..."
If that were true, you would have a case.
Since that is not true, you don't.
Except in America it seems that's the exact case. Maybe not in other countries.
It seems like that's the case to you because you're surrounding yourself with an echo chamber instead of rationally thinking about the situation.
It makes no sense in any capacity to assume that any group of humans are all identical or behave identically.
We aren't saying they do. What we are saying is that the system discourages good cops to the point most are forced to leave. You would have realized this if you weren't blinded by your own axe to grind.
Yes, you are saying that:
"Except in America it seems that's the exact case"
Please elaborate on what axe I'm grinding.
Logically explaining the truth and repeating basic facts?
How devious.
What facts? You keep making statements without baking them up at all, or even giving any reasoning.
I don't agree with leftists that all police throughout the world are evil or unnecessary. I think in some countries they are demonstrably better or worse than others. Places like Mexico and the USA they seem to be corrupt or straight up sadists, who are in the pockets of gangs and rich capitalists respectively.
So you've already forgotten the facts, but your argument as that those facts that you can't remember don't have any reasoning?
Unconvinciiing.
Some police officers are corrupt and sadists.
Some bakers are corrupt and sadists as well.
Don't worry. Although you appear confused and defensive about these statements, nobody is saying otherwise.
No I haven't forgotten anything you have said. You were claiming that good cops weren't being pushed out of the USA police, and that they aren't all bad as a result. Yet you haven't actually given a single example.
You are the one being defensive and confused here. We weren't arguing that only some are bad. I am arguing that the majority are bad in the USA and Mexico because any good police would be pushed to leave because of institutional failings.
I don't remember claiming that good cops weren't being pushed out of the USA police, do you have a source for that?
And then you agreeing with me that not acab.
Great, I agree.