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[–] givesomefucks 19 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

broad democratic support

Meaning, of course:

  1. Israel has bought off political leaders from both parties for decades.

  2. Republican voters won't ever criticize their own team.

  3. There is a MASSSSIVE push to turn the Dem party into the same shit show.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I think they meant broad Democratic support, referring to the party

[–] givesomefucks 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Even if that's what they meant, Dem voters don't want to fund a genocide.

But the leaders of both parties do.

Because they're paid to want that.

https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary?cycle=All&ind=Q05&recipdetail=S

And that's not even accounting for the other side of the money: American arms manufactures

https://www.opensecrets.org/news/reports/capitalizing-on-conflict/defense-contractors

The victims of genocide rarely have the cash to bribe US politicians

[–] [email protected] -4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

ITT:

  • The US supports israel because of bribes
  • The US supports Israel because it's an important military platform to launch from in the region

Which is more likely: Democrats are resisting cutting support for Israel because they're financing their political campaigns, OR, there are legitimate imperial reasons why Israel is an important strategic ally in the region.

Either way, democrats have decided it's worth turning a blind eye to a genocide that's happening with their material support.

[–] givesomefucks -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Either way, democrats

Politicians...

Not Dem voters.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Look, I realize this is going to be unpopular, but idk if this attitude is really helping you here:

Democratic party leaders turn a blind eye toward Israel committing genocide, and then democratic voters tolerate democratic party leaders turning a blind eye toward Israel committing genocide.

Democrats (the politicians) are effectively unaccountable to voters, even if it's because of a FPTP system you have no control over. At some point they're gonna do something so egregious that you have to step in and do something, but so far I don't think enough people have reached that point.

[–] givesomefucks -3 points 2 weeks ago

and then democratic voters tolerate democratic party leaders turning a blind eye toward Israel committing genocide.

I see people pushing for that.

Those people don't seem to remember how close trump was to winning 2020.

It was a very small margin of victory, and this isn't the only issue that Biden is significantly more conservative than dem voters on.

We're running a bad candidate in a very important election. And even if it is too late to change candidates, it's never to let for Joe Biden to start listening to the people who voted him into office 4 years ago instead of ignoring anyone that doesn't want to just tell him he's doing a great job and to keep it up.

A president that doesn't listen to the people who voted them into office, isn't a good president. And they're not gonna get as many votes when they run for re-election.

For people like Joe Biden, he can't afford to lose very many voters. And he's not going to steal any from trump.