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[–] nBodyProblem 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

The claims of genocide are colored by propaganda and misinformation. Academic researchers are split on the issue, at best. The fact of the matter is that Israel could swiftly end all life in Gaza through overwhelming military force if that was their goal, and this has not happened.

I’d agree that Israel’s actions in Gaza are unethical but there is a stark difference between acting without regard for civilian casualties and outright ethnic cleansing. The evidence doesn’t seem to support the latter.

A good president would divest and sanction Israel

A good president would prioritize what’s best for America, which means preserving the favorable relationship America has with Israel. Meanwhile, a good president would provide humanitarian aid for Palestine and help negotiate for peace.

That’s exactly what Biden is doing and refusing to vote for him harms almost every party involved, including Palestine. Really, the only groups who would benefit are the far right and Russia… makes you wonder where comments like this come from, doesn’t it?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The claims aren't colored by propaganda and misinformation... You can literally read the genocidal intent of Israeli government members and Knesset members. Some of them tweet it and say it out loud for the world to witness.

Just because they're capable of doing genocide "better" doesn't mean they aren't doing it. That's not an argument to say the thing we're literally watching them do isn't happening.

I think that your priorities are fucked if you care more about preserving this country's relationship with an apartheid state than stopping a genocide by said apartheid state.

Also, quit implying that my comments are right wing or Russian just because they have opinions that don't align with yours. That's such a tired trope. I could imply the same of you, but I'm choosing to engage in good faith.

[–] nBodyProblem 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The claims aren't colored by propaganda and misinformation

They sure are. A great example would be the videos making the rounds recently about the Israeli drones supposedly making “crying baby noises” to lure people out. This is a classic propaganda technique, the videos are literally just a black screen with some background sound, the Israeli government could kill those people far more easily without such tactics, and anyone who has spent time around drones regularly knows it’s extremely implausible at best.

It’s a blatantly obvious piece of propaganda that was widely accepted because people can’t pause for five seconds to apply a bit of critical thinking to their conclusions.

Just because they're capable of doing genocide "better" doesn't mean they aren't doing it.

It means exactly this. “Genocide” implies a certain intent and this is a very strong argument of the absence of the requisite intent.

Also, quit implying that my comments are right wing or Russian just because they have opinions that don't align with yours. That's such a tired trope. I could imply the same of you, but I'm choosing to engage in good faith.

Well maybe you shouldn’t be pushing an agenda that benefits the Russians and far-right at the expense of the Palestinian people?

Honestly, you’re either a badly intentioned troll, lacking in some basic critical thinking skill, or simply willing to see far more Palestinians die for your ideals while you sit back in safety and watch it happen.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I'm done responding to you if you're going to keep insulting me. Have fun continuing to deny genocide.

Edit: I am going to leave this here though for anyone who happens to come across these replies. This outlines some of the genocidal intent evidence from Israeli officials and soldiers. https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-south-africa-genocide-hate-speech-97a9e4a84a3a6bebeddfb80f8a030724

And here's a summary of the conclusions of a recent UN report regarding war crimes committed by both Israel and Hamas. https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/06/1150946