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[–] EleventhHour 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

How does baiting republicans into a trap constitute a change in position on immigration?

Also, please refer to a specific past immigration policy by democrats that you’re referring to by “what it was”.

[–] Ensign_Crab -3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

How does baiting republicans into a trap constitute a change in position on immigration?

Democrats' last known position on immigration is what they baited Republicans with. They've been acting like it's the reasonable option. In addition, Biden's been limiting asylum and kept Trump's "remain in Mexico" policy.

Also, please refer to a specific past immigration policy by democrats that you’re referring to by “what it was”.

Well, DACA for one. Far as I can tell, nothing has been done to try to protect Dreamers since a conservative judge killed it. But considering the Democrats are now counting as policy successes things they freaked out about when Trump did them, yes, Democrats have moved to the right on immigration. They will never move back because Democrats don't move to the left.

[–] EleventhHour 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Well, it pretty hilarious that you insist bait is an official policy position, esp since it’s never been declared.

Also

Well, DACA for one. Far as I can tell, nothing has been done to try to protect Dreamers since…

The endless and constant obstructionism and attacks by republicans? The ones that have been fought by Obama and Biden, not to mention dems in congress?

If you don’t see what has been done, it’s because you are intentionally ignoring the evidence.

Don’t come back to me with these ridiculous arguments, blaming Democrats for the non-stop fascism of the GOP. That gaslighting won’t work here. Anyone who doesn’t have a Fox News Drip directly into their brain is aware of this. You’ve given yourself away.

[–] Ensign_Crab -3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Well, it pretty hilarious that you insist bait is an official policy position, esp since it’s never been declared.

Oh declared policy positions? Like how they totally want to raise the minimum wage or revisit the public option or codify Roe? Declared positions are no better than campaign promises, and it says a lot that you expect me to take them at face value instead of the actual actions of our elected officials.

If you don’t see what has been done, it’s because you are intentionally ignoring the evidence.

Then provide some. DACA was struck down in 2021. What have our elected leaders done since then for Dreamers? No, I won't accept "You don't KNOW?" as a fucking answer. I won't accept pledges or statements or declared positions or anything other than an actual attempt to do something. Because the attempt I've seen was to enact Republican policy and they haven't done anything at all to walk that back.

[–] EleventhHour 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Funny how you keep blaming democrats for the crap republican and keep doing.

[–] Ensign_Crab -3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Since you've decided not to read what I posted and just post a standard dismissal instead, I'm glad that this conversation has reached its conclusion with your concession that you were wrong.

[–] EleventhHour 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What a vivid imagination you have, lol

[–] Ensign_Crab -3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Condescension is what centrists do when they're wrong.

It's why it's practically all they do.

[–] EleventhHour 1 points 5 months ago

Whatever makes you feel better