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[–] [email protected] 74 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

Yes, when a dictator actively oppressing his people, particularly women, says you're doing good, you should feel proud.

Edit:

Published on his official website on Thursday, the letter addresses students whose “awakened conscience has moved them to defend the oppressed women and children of Gaza.”

Holy mother of all cognitive dissonances.

[–] Viking_Hippie 51 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Fun fact: awful people agreeing for bad reasons doesn't make the cause itself bad. You're falling for one of the oldest yellow journalism tricks in the book.

This is the equivalent of the National Cattlemen's Beef Association publishing an excerpt from Mein Kampf extolling the virtues of vegetarianism.

[–] DMBFFF 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Didn't Nazi Germany ban vivisection?

What do you think of George Galloway's condemning Israel? He's right, but he has a few flaws (though certainly not as bad as the Nazis—I was a little ticked at people citing him several hours ago, though).

[–] Viking_Hippie 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Same deal, basically, though not QUITE as bad: afair Galloway is very right about some things for good reasons (Israel obviously being one of them) and very wrong about others and possibly corrupt to boot.

His faults and bad ideas are irrelevant to whether or not genocide is bad, just like the theocratic despot in the article.

[–] DMBFFF 1 points 5 months ago
[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 months ago (2 children)

he's doing what all right wing populists are doing these days; latching onto a popular movement and using it to both improve his popularity and divide his enemies

[–] Kolrami 13 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I don't think this is exclusive to right wing populists.

He's simply congratulating the side he supports. Biden showed support for the Iranian protesters.

And before someone responds "um actually, Biden is as right wing as Clarence Thomas," Bernie Sanders showed support for the Iranian protesters too.

You'd be hard pressed to find someone to the left of Bernie Sanders who doesn't support Iranians protesting the right to not be killed for wearing a hijab improperly.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago
[–] DMBFFF -2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Doesn't Iran fund Hamas?

I'll also grant that that Hamas probably killed a higher percentage of soldiers on Putin's 71st birthday than Israel has Hamas members since then.

[–] Bernie_Sandals 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I'll also grant that that Hamas probably killed a higher percentage of soldiers on Putin's 71st birthday than Israel has Hamas members since then.

This is a fucking unhinged comment, beyond you using "Putins Birthday" as a dogwhistle for October 7th. Comments like this do nothing but make the Pro-Palestinian anti-Genocide movement look pro-Hamas.

The rate of civilian to soldier deaths on October 7th are the exact same 2:1 ratio that Israel is currently being criticized for. Both governments are shit when it comes to murdering civilians and neither should be praised.

[–] DMBFFF 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Comments like this do nothing but make the Pro-Palestinian anti-Genocide movement look pro-Hamas.

some of them are.

[–] Bernie_Sandals 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Seems weird to be so anti-Genocide you end up supporting another Genocidal group.

[–] DMBFFF 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Presumably you wouldn't stand next to a Nazi who denounces Israel's genocide.

Would you stand next to an Islamic fundamentalist doing the same?

[–] Bernie_Sandals 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Presumably you wouldn't stand next to a Nazi who denounces Israel's genocide.

Like Nick Fuentes and the other Nazis that have praised Hamas? No, I wouldn't, there's certainly a better way to advocate for peace than by standing next to someone who would do a Holocaust 2.0 given the chance.

Would you stand next to an Islamic fundamentalist doing the same?

Why do I have to agree with or work with Hamas to want a Palestinian State? That's like saying I have to agree with "6 million Germans" Nakam. to criticize the Holocaust.

[–] DMBFFF 1 points 5 months ago

Why do I have to agree with or work with Hamas to want a Palestinian State?

I'm not.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (2 children)

By that logic, since Trump supports Israel and says that Israel should finish the job, should Israel now also be proud?

[–] DMBFFF 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Trump bad, Israeli genocide of Palestinians bad.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

Absolutely! Just not agreeing with the logic that there’s any meaning behind some dipshit supporting the same thing you do. Although I admit that I chose a bad example.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

Do you feel like there are only two choices? I support Israel striking back when Hamas started a war they had no chance of winning. Doesn't mean I support how they're doing it and I don't think the crimes they're committing currently are any good.

So yes, they should feel "proud" a scumbag like Trump endorses them.

In an ideal world both the students and Israel would say "wait, that piece of shit says we're doing good, maybe we should take 5 to rethink what we're doing". But we don't live in an ideal world.

As a side note, I truly envy people who can view things so clearly so easily, like unequivocally supporting Palestine or Israel without seeing the very shitty things both are (or were recently) doing. While I envy such people, I definitely don't want to be around them - people who have easy answers to complex issues are rarely correct.

[–] Tyfud 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

He's not saying that to try and make Palestine or himself look good, he's saying that to try and make Israel look bad.

That's it.