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Please don't perpetuate this myth. He was tried, and found guilty, for falsifying business records to cover up payments that he made for purposes that many of his voters would find objectionable in order to hide that objectionable information from those voters to prevent them from making an informed decision and affecting an election.
Election interference and Fraud.
He is a literal, convicted, fraud.
It's really no different than saying Clinton got impeached for a blowjob.
He wasn't, it was perjury. Though I'd say that election interference is a bit more severe than lying about a beej.
No, both damaged institutions are fundamental to our government. Fuck them both.
Bush Jr should have been convicted for mass murder. Obama should have been convicted for drone strikes.
I’m not disagreeing with you, but at least those awful actions are plausibly covered as a presidential act made in the country’s interests. I’m not saying they were good for the US, just that they could argue that was the process.
Trump’s shit is all self-serving and against the interests of the United States.
If your country's interests require committing mass murder (like Bush Jr or Obama did), then your country is an awful evil place.
I cannot disagree with you there!
That’s mostly what I meant by this sentence:
Even if they make the worst, most destructive decisions that most of their constituents disagree with, it’s still a presidential act. I assume they can’t be charged in the US. Might be different in an international court, but I think we refuse to recognize their authority or something, because U-S-A! U-S-A!
Mhhh yes lying about WMDs in Iraq to bomb the entire country to rubble and steal their oil. That's a lot worse than bribing a porn star
I’m sure it goes without saying, but legal wrongs and moral wrongs are very different things, like in this case.
The argument would be “I’m immune because it’s a presidential act” and not “I did the right thing.” Kind of like how cops get away with horrible shit because of qualified immunity.
You know that's not what he was tried for and convicted of. You're just arguing in bad faith.
Trump increased drone strikes 432%, so same there.
All ex American presidents in jail for war crimes?
Don't threaten us with a good time
I agree, but apparently presidents are immune from prosecution for anything done in office. I really hope that can get overturned, but it's the current state of the law.
Yeah, we know. That has no bearing on this case.
Trump and Clinton raped women. Probably not the only presidents.
Edit: I'm not talking about Lewinsky. See my comment below.
Rape is bad. Mass murder is much worse.
Starving teens of millions is OK though.
Trump raped. Clinton just used his positions of power to make him think he was a player. Very, very significant distinction.
Clinton's sexual misconduct extends far beyond Monica Lewinski.
I'd be happy to lock both of them up. We know they were both buddies with Epstine. Fuck them both.
You forgot this guy
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden_sexual_assault_allegation
Linkerbaan is a shill. Look at their posts. The terrorists in the Kremlin pay them to get Trump elected.
I don't think they're a shill: they're probably just an idiot.
Only a terminally online liberal could look at someone criticizing a justice system that serves the rich rather than the protection of basic human rights (especifically saying that Trump has worse things to get convicted for) and think: "Hmm, yes, this is a Russian shill, lest I even take into consideration that they might actually have a good point".
That's a very long way of saying "Hush money to a porn star".
Its not even as though Trump didn't commit additional financial crimes while in office. He took money from the Saudis for state secrets. He traded insider information to his son-in-law for fundraising money. He staffed his departments with hedge fund insiders as a quid pro quo for personal financial favors. And that's before we get to the illegal use of military force or the illegal direction of federal money for his pet border projects or the illegal arrest and unconstitutional prosecution of migrants and dissidents or the J6 shit.
91 fucking indictments. One trial. For the hooker hush money.
Say what you will about kickbacks to Stormy Daniels, but its the least lethal policy on the Trump docket. And that's a real window into the soul of America. Rounding up and incarcerating people without trial is fine. Bombing foreigners is fine. Marching a high-on-their-own-supply fascist mob through Congress is fine. Just don't get caught slipping your mistress a tenner to keep her mouth shut during an election season.
This trial isn't about those things, and most of the US hates those events, so keep on preaching to the choir.