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President Joe Biden is taking fresh steps to help keep gas prices from climbing. For Republicans to see this as “disgusting” and “disgraceful” is bizarre.

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[–] [email protected] 98 points 6 months ago (39 children)

I actually just want permanently higher gas prices like in Europe to facilitate the move to EVs. The US needs to break the addiction to oil.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 6 months ago (3 children)

A lot of people will be even poorer increasing the price of gas in Europe, most working class people cant switch to an EV just because,my family (myself included, but now i live in a big city where i dont need a car anymore) purchase usually 15+ year old cars, and there is no decent public transportation in that zone. I know you just want easy upvotes saying stupid things like that, but really, viewpoints like that are harmful towards the working class, if you want to facilitate the move towards EVs what you need is cheaper EVs, and tbh, fuck that bullshit and instead push toward better public transportation in rural areas instead of keeping the push in personal vehicles that are as wasteful.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago

Ideally, you tax the hell out of fossil fuels then redistribute it to the poor. The rich and middle class cut their usage and/or switch to EVs and the poor can get by while viable alternatives to driving are implemented and EV prices come down.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

viewpoints like that are harmful towards the working class

News flash: The working class in most of Europe is doing much better than the working class in the US. And that's with much higher gas prices and higher taxes.

They also drive more EVs and have a heck of a lot higher quality public transportation.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (13 children)

Hm so if the median working class as a whole in the EU is doing better than the working class of the USA its okay the fuck the working class of the rural zones in spain which as i said lack public transportation or access to expensive EVs? Lmao.

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[–] UltraMagnus0001 4 points 6 months ago

Also EV structures in the cities are not good because most people live in places with no garages or driveways. Better public transportation is the way.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The US needs better public transit everywhere, not just EVS.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Definitely agree. But there are a lot people in the US who have been conditioned to whine about "communist public transportation" every time it's brought up, so it never really happens. EVs are a good middle ground to get many of these people onboard with more environmentally friendly transportation.

[–] kava 8 points 6 months ago (4 children)

That is an inverse progressive tax. The lower income you are, the higher % of your income you pay.

It's essentially a tax on the poor trying to subsidize renewables. If the US had viable alternatives, maybe I'd support this. I don't think the poor need more taxes right now, though.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The word you're looking for is regressive

[–] kava 5 points 6 months ago
[–] RustyEarthfire 7 points 6 months ago

If you return the tax to everyone as a dividend, then it becomes progressive, while still encouraging less polluting options

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago

What other countries do is build viable public transportation to counter.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

How much will climate change cost the poor?

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

That comes after the election.

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