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[–] palebluethought 9 points 7 months ago (2 children)

In some sense, the asymmetry of information (entropy) is a defining feature of the universe. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow_of_time

[–] niktemadur 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

But isn't entropy an emergent phenomenon, manifesting only at larger, relativistic (by which I mean non-quantum) levels?
Entropy doesn't affect the fundamental symmetries I mentioned in the title. So information may not be fundamental, then?

Man... information is such a weird concept when one stops to look at it, I wonder if a true definition of it is as difficult to pin down as time.

[–] givesomefucks 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

If your lifespan was an hour, every generation that witnessed a sunrise or sunset would freak the fuck out and think the world was ending.

I've always thought of entropy like that, it seems one direction, but only because we're on a comparativly tiny timescale.

Used to subscribe to the "big crunch" theory that it'll just all start over. But the more Penrose and Hawking I read, the more I think the Big Bang just isn't that unique.

There's a lot of signs that the vast majority of existence is dark matter, and with how it interacts with regular matter, I don't think we have sequential big bangs like a single light slowly flashing. I think it's more like fireworks in the sky.

There's probably not anyway to travel through the dark matter to get to another "bubble", and even if we did, that bubbles laws of physics could be drastically incompatible with us.

Like, if you remember the Narnia books it's like that "main world" where it was just an infinite number of ponds and jumping into one shoots you out to some world world everything works better. I think The Magicians kind of ripped off the idea, and by now more people may be familiar with that then one of the least popular (but underrated) books in a children's series from ww2.

Entropy is functionally persistent, but only because everything we can see and interact isnt all there is. There could be multiple other bubbles of matter happening right now, it's just about what frame of reference we have.

[–] niktemadur 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

[In] the Narnia books it's like that "main world" where it was just an infinite number of ponds and jumping into one shoots you out to some world ... I think The Magicians kind of ripped off the idea.

Completely off-topic from symmetries and entropies, but I can't pass up the opportunity to mention that the specific Narnia installment where we see this "main world" and branches is The Magician's Nephew, the sixth out of seven books.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Its the first book, chronologically.

[–] givesomefucks 2 points 7 months ago

Lewis' prequels > Lucas's prequels

[–] niktemadur 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

As with Isaac Asimov, I much prefer order of publication.
Woe the poor soul trying to get into Foundation and instead of getting the original trilogy, they start with Prelude To Foundation. I met a guy who did that, in college; he didn't know where to start, at the bookstore thought "Hey... Prelude... sounds like a good place to start!"

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I read Isaac Asimov in chronological order, including the robot books first, before foundation. Why woe to me?

[–] niktemadur 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

For example, if one starts with Prelude To Foundation as the entry point, the reveal of Eto Demerzel being R. Daneel Olivaw in disguise all loses its' punch, while if one reads the original Robot books first, it becomes an astounding reveal, a true "holy shit!" moment, on several levels, the delightful surprise of clearly seeing Asimov kneading together two separate series so intimately and right before your eyes, the narrative doubles in size and scope in the snap of a finger.

The power of that moment, that opportunity that Asimov seized, makes it worthwhile to follow Isaac's mind instead of the plot in chronological order.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

It doesn't lose its punch, because he's described all through Prelude To Foundation, it's still a big reveal. And then you read the later books in that context.