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You're talking to a white supremicist.
Their site makes it clear.
That's the reason they're citing a racist conspiracy theory.
The mods won't ban him though, because that's the kind of user they wish to court.
@LookBehindYouNowAndThen I'm not sure if he's a supremacist, more likely a racial separatist/"race realist". Wouldn't be shocked if he's racist, but yeah #TheProtocolsOfTheEldersOfZion is quite the deep cut, and his alt-right views are probably the only way he even knows what that is (I only know what that is when I started researching the origins of the #Israel v. #Palestine conflict and it came up as I was skimming #Wikipedia)
I don't make excuses for white supremicists.
Guess you do.
How the fuck is a "racial separatist" not a racist?
Gotta love how this community puts the full depravity of conservatism on display for everyone.
@LookBehindYouNowAndThen
> I don’t make excuses for racists.
I don't either! I do try to understand them though. They walk among us, after all.
> How the fuck is a “racial separatist” not a racist?
They're still racist; the difference is that a white supremacist thinks that white people are better than other people, and racial separatists think that all races are equal, but should be segregated from each other.
Funny how you're more charitable to this white supremicist's views than you are for anyone to your left.
Last time we were having a discussion you misrepresented my views with every reply, but you've really dialed in the various flavors of racist, because those nuances are so important to understand.
Conservatives will ally with racists and fascists before they compromise with a lib.
@LookBehindYouNowAndThen
> Funny how you’re more charitable to this white supremicist’s views than you are for anyone to your left.
This is an interesting take. You must not know me very well.
Have you seen my political commentary blacklist of bad faith actors? It's mostly people on the right.
https://social.teci.world/objects/a591d729-7dd8-4374-b9c7-a31b9f5e56e9
> Last time we were having a discussion you misrepresented my views with every reply
Which convo was this?
@LookBehindYouNowAndThen
> Conservatives will ally with racists and fascists before they compromise with a lib.
Part of me wonders if I'm even a #Conservative anymore. I hate big government and a lot of them don't, and the #MAGA people are pretty embarrassing to boot.
Seems to me like as long as you're following your conscience and thinking for yourself it doesn't matter what you are labeled as.
Labels like that shift and change and some people expect you to shift and change with them, but do people really switch their beliefs on a dime like that? You believe what you believe, not what some label says you believe.
Moreover, the way the political statecraft becomes all encompassing is really harmful. "All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state" and "everything is political" are two sides of a coin we should melt down for scrap metal. For most of us, the most important questions aren't about some distant capitol, but what's around us and how we affect that.
@realcaseyrollins @LookBehindYouNowAndThen
Conservatism is a philosophy, not a party. We are realists, the Left are anti-realists.
@amerika @LookBehindYouNowAndThen
> Conservatism is a philosophy
Fair enough; Conservatism is pretty broad so it can be as libertarian as it can be fascist.
I care too much about supporting small government and principles over people to want to associate too closely with the modern right, who I feel is increasingly okay with authoritarianism (look at their support of #DeSantis for example)
> We are realists, the Left are anti-realists.
That's kind of a childish way to view things.
@amerika @LookBehindYouNowAndThen Examining political spheres of thought, I've been wondering if I'm not closer to #ConservativeLiberalism than #Conservatism itself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_liberalism
@realcaseyrollins @LookBehindYouNowAndThen
For me, getting away from Wikipedia is important. It's enemy propaganda. Britannica does a lot better for quality information anyway.
@realcaseyrollins @LookBehindYouNowAndThen
More likely just classically liberal with some culturally Christian conservative leanings.
@amerika @LookBehindYouNowAndThen Possibly. My right wing social values will never change because the #Bible does, but I care most about the Y-axis on the #PoliticalCompass. Can't get down with #Libertarianism because that's too extreme for me, unfortunately
@realcaseyrollins @LookBehindYouNowAndThen
Libertarianism is basically anarchy and that is dysfunctional.
But as an economic theory and a way of achieving indirect solutions it is great.
@realcaseyrollins @LookBehindYouNowAndThen
I disagree; egalitarianism is an anti-realist philosophy.
@amerika @LookBehindYouNowAndThen That's a different argument than the one you put forth though.
@realcaseyrollins @LookBehindYouNowAndThen
Egalitarianism is the root of the Left; it is an ideology. Conservatism is a folkway, which means we prefer time-proven solutions, which requires measurement by reality not human judgment. This naturally leads to a need for social order on a case-by-case basis anchored in a few general principles instead of One Big Idea.
@amerika @LookBehindYouNowAndThen
> Egalitarianism is the root of the Left
Are you sure about this?
@realcaseyrollins @LookBehindYouNowAndThen
Yes. Imagine Leftism without egalitarianism.
@amerika @LookBehindYouNowAndThen Imagine a horse with two legs. Doesn't mean that four legs are what makes a horse a horse. That's a parts-to-whole fallacy.
@realcaseyrollins @LookBehindYouNowAndThen
The core philosophy of the Left is egalitarianism; this is inherent in their origin both in the ancient times and in Revolutionary France.
"left, in politics, the portion of the political spectrum associated in general with egalitarianism and popular or state control of the major institutions of political and economic life."
https://www.britannica.com/topic/left
@amerika @LookBehindYouNowAndThen Interesting, I did not know that.
@realcaseyrollins @LookBehindYouNowAndThen
A couple more links:
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/egalitarianism/
https://iep.utm.edu/egalitarianism/
These are about the philosophy, but you can see the divisions in Leftism from classical liberal through Communism play out in these arguments.
@amerika @LookBehindYouNowAndThen I do know about #Egalitarianism because it has influenced some denominations of #Christianity unfortunately
Nobody cares.
Fuck off, racist POS.
@cunt @LookBehindYouNowAndThen the username checks out
@LookBehindYouNowAndThen
In any case, his alt right views don't exactly map to this conversation, so I'll allow it for now.
If lemmy.world wants to ban him, they probably can, but he's on annihilation.social, which is a different instance entirely.
The mods have the power to ban anyone.
Notably, they don't ban the guy who hosts a blog with articles titled things like Being White: The Gradual Epiphany of a True Believer and thinks the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a true conspiracy.
I've been banned for some pretty stupid shit, but this guy is welcome. That should tell you everything you need to know about this community.
@LookBehindYouNowAndThen Report it to the mods. I'm on #Mastodon and I think he's on #Pleroma, so there's nothing I can do.
But I'm a freedom of speech homie so I wouldn't complain about it too much; if the speech offends you, you should be able to block or mute him yourself on your end.
I have reported them.
The mods only care about banning people who make conservatives face reality.
They're not going to ban this chode because they want him for a user.
@LookBehindYouNowAndThen I guess we'll see. It's very possible that it's a free speech community and they won't ban him, which is fine. He doesn't need to be banned.