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[–] [email protected] -3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

@LookBehindYouNowAndThen

> Conservatives will ally with racists and fascists before they compromise with a lib.

Part of me wonders if I'm even a #Conservative anymore. I hate big government and a lot of them don't, and the #MAGA people are pretty embarrassing to boot.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Seems to me like as long as you're following your conscience and thinking for yourself it doesn't matter what you are labeled as.

Labels like that shift and change and some people expect you to shift and change with them, but do people really switch their beliefs on a dime like that? You believe what you believe, not what some label says you believe.

Moreover, the way the political statecraft becomes all encompassing is really harmful. "All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state" and "everything is political" are two sides of a coin we should melt down for scrap metal. For most of us, the most important questions aren't about some distant capitol, but what's around us and how we affect that.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

@realcaseyrollins @LookBehindYouNowAndThen

Conservatism is a philosophy, not a party. We are realists, the Left are anti-realists.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

@amerika @LookBehindYouNowAndThen

> Conservatism is a philosophy

Fair enough; Conservatism is pretty broad so it can be as libertarian as it can be fascist.

I care too much about supporting small government and principles over people to want to associate too closely with the modern right, who I feel is increasingly okay with authoritarianism (look at their support of #DeSantis for example)

> We are realists, the Left are anti-realists.

That's kind of a childish way to view things.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

@realcaseyrollins @LookBehindYouNowAndThen

I disagree; egalitarianism is an anti-realist philosophy.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

@amerika @LookBehindYouNowAndThen That's a different argument than the one you put forth though.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

@realcaseyrollins @LookBehindYouNowAndThen

Egalitarianism is the root of the Left; it is an ideology. Conservatism is a folkway, which means we prefer time-proven solutions, which requires measurement by reality not human judgment. This naturally leads to a need for social order on a case-by-case basis anchored in a few general principles instead of One Big Idea.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

@amerika @LookBehindYouNowAndThen

> Egalitarianism is the root of the Left

Are you sure about this?

[–] [email protected] -2 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] -3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

@amerika @LookBehindYouNowAndThen Imagine a horse with two legs. Doesn't mean that four legs are what makes a horse a horse. That's a parts-to-whole fallacy.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

@realcaseyrollins @LookBehindYouNowAndThen

The core philosophy of the Left is egalitarianism; this is inherent in their origin both in the ancient times and in Revolutionary France.

"left, in politics, the portion of the political spectrum associated in general with egalitarianism and popular or state control of the major institutions of political and economic life."

https://www.britannica.com/topic/left

[–] [email protected] -3 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

@realcaseyrollins @LookBehindYouNowAndThen

A couple more links:

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/egalitarianism/

https://iep.utm.edu/egalitarianism/

These are about the philosophy, but you can see the divisions in Leftism from classical liberal through Communism play out in these arguments.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 5 months ago

@amerika @LookBehindYouNowAndThen I do know about #Egalitarianism because it has influenced some denominations of #Christianity unfortunately

[–] [email protected] -3 points 5 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] -2 points 5 months ago

@realcaseyrollins @LookBehindYouNowAndThen

For me, getting away from Wikipedia is important. It's enemy propaganda. Britannica does a lot better for quality information anyway.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

@realcaseyrollins @LookBehindYouNowAndThen

More likely just classically liberal with some culturally Christian conservative leanings.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

@amerika @LookBehindYouNowAndThen Possibly. My right wing social values will never change because the #Bible does, but I care most about the Y-axis on the #PoliticalCompass. Can't get down with #Libertarianism because that's too extreme for me, unfortunately

[–] [email protected] -2 points 5 months ago

@realcaseyrollins @LookBehindYouNowAndThen

Libertarianism is basically anarchy and that is dysfunctional.

But as an economic theory and a way of achieving indirect solutions it is great.