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Hmmm I wonder why he would prefer Trump?? Where are all those enlightened Leftists saying they’re gonna sit out this election? Are you making the both sides argument? Or are you willing to admit that voting for a guy you don’t agree with 100% (Biden) is better for your causes than letting Trump win?
Why is your first reaction to attack the left, when the right is standing in front of you?
Because the right isn't hem-hawing around and are all in-line behind Trump. The left they're talking about are the ones sowing division, banging the drum on the left-side wedge issues, and encouraging apathy / vote 3rd party / sit out the vote. Some of those are shills, sure, but not all.
IMO, it's perfectly reasonable to call those people out because they're completely missing the bigger picture.
There is division within the ranks of the right as well. There are protest votes upwards near 20% in the Republican primary in some states, even when there is nobody running against Trump. I understand things are dire, but the Democratic party can win this election. I am far further to the left than the Democrats are, but will still vote for them in the elections to buy time. We must believe in ourselves, and I think lashing out against the far left is detrimental to the cause. It is fair to confront those who are adamant about sitting out elections, but the conversation to mobilize the far left pragmatically must be tactful and not full of hate.
We’ve been buying time my entire adult life, short of first term Obama, I voted for him because I thought he would do good.
When are they going to start doing something other than pretending to listen?
The hard truth is that to get a leftist government we, you and I, and others, have to do more than vote. We still need to vote because it is an avenue given to us. A free lever. But we need to become active locally. In tenant unions, in local leftist groups. We have to organize and this takes time. Do not vote and pray, vote and then act.
I’ve done shit like that, I’ve called representatives, fuck sake I have tried multiple times to get a union started in a red state.
I still am, but damn it I am almost completely burnt out
You have to be a reliable constituent and help them get elected. Young people, progressives, leftists, whatever aren't reliable enough and don't vote in numbers significant enough to shift the Overton window significantly in a short time frame. Since they aren't reliable voters the candidate has to go farther to the right to get the votes they need to get elected.
Slow progress is the best you can hope for when you're hoping for extreme change to a system, and you can't stop because if you do a single Republican win can undo years of progress (e.g. Trump with the supreme court nominee and Roe).
Another issue is progressives are really spread thin on issues from civil rights, to economics, to foreign relations, to gun rights, you get the picture. This big tent brings in a lot of people, but some people get pushed out when you bring them in. For example many Latino voters are Catholic and are anti-LGBTQ and anti abortion. They have to decide if they care more about the inclusion the Democratic party brings, or the abortion restrictions the Republicans bring.
All of that to say progressives a often single issue abstainers; they will abstain from voting over a single trigger issue. The more issues a candidate has to support the less likely it is the candidate will support that voters trigger issue to the degree the voter wants. Now that voter is staying home and not voting, which leads to the point I made earlier.
Also we have made a lot of progress. Gay marriage is legal now, people are much more aware of racism and other discrimination and we're taking active steps to combat it, the ACA has helped with medical coverage a ton, the general population are aware Palestinians exist and Israel isn't the good guy, we've installed an amazing amount of green electricity power plants, bike and public transportation are things people want now, and many other incremental improvements.
Things aren't perfect, and some things are still fucked, but we're getting better. We can't stop because it isn't going exactly the way we want it to.
The left is very prominent on the Fediverse. The right is (thankfully) almost nonexistent.
If their post is meant to persuade a super-minority of US political types (the far left) by talking down to them on a niche social media website, they are not doing a very good job. This is not how you convince people to join you. Then again, maybe they have no intention of doing this, and just want to lash out at anyone who will listen.
Dems:Treat every actual leftist as an enemy, denigrate them, blame them for any wrongs, refuse to acknowledge their concerns, refuse to support any of their positions
Also Dems: "why won't they just shut up and vote for the person we tell them too? clearly it's the leftists fault for being unreasonable!"
Tensions are high and they are understandably panicked. Have open conversations with them in good faith. It is the only way forward.
I agree with the sentiment but it's more like:
Dems: There's no way we'll get single payer universal healthcare passed because other humans exist and they have the right to vote, but we can do the ACA and try again in a few years
Leftists: Stop fucking compromising with facists you capitalist piece of shit. Just make them do what we want. I'm never voting for a Democrat in my entire life ever again
They’re addressing those that propose abstaining from voting because of Biden’s support of Israel. That is exactly what it takes for Trump to take office and help Netanyahu turn Gaza and Rafah into parking lots.
Biden is already letting them, his big red line was Rafah and yet he didn’t stop them, hell he’s okay with it after they started bombing safe zones again now.
Typically because we expect fascists to support other fascists. It's when leftist supports fascist that we get annoyed.
I understand your view, though I see those who do refuse to pull the levers of democracy as misguided and self-destructive rather than overtly and explicitly "supporting fascism." Convince them to pull the levers they are given, rather than lash out at them. Humans who are confronted with negativity and accusatory language will only back further into their corners and pull out their fists.
this is some "debate me debate me" shit we had a discussion over whether trump was bad in 2015, he is, and now that discussion is over we had a discussion of alternatives to trump that can actually get elected and now that discussion is over we do not need to wipe these people's asses for them any more than we need to wipe the asses of young earth creationists, the debate is over, the correct response to "i am wrong but what if we had a centrist and polite discussion forever" is "no" and the correct response to "but i want to" is "shut up dumbass"
You are not helping your case. I won’t hold your words against those that are serious about doing good.
find the factual inaccuracy, civilityboi
Because it’s those less than intelligent leftists who are saying they won’t vote in this election. I expect the right wing to show up and get behind their guy. I’m disappointed that the left seems to be willing to hand them this election