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Joe Biden has done more than arm Israel. He’s complicit in Gaza’s devastating famine
(www.independent.co.uk)
this post was submitted on 16 May 2024
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I want Biden to stop supporting Netanyahu's genocide. Why is that so difficult to understand?
Because that was the first time I’ve seen you say that.
I’m not much of a mind reader.
Why do so many people immediately assume that criticizing Biden means support for another candidate?
Because the Right has dug in for years, chosen a target, and collectively did their best to cause as much damage as possible to everything they can. Even if it hurts them.
That's why people like me assume the worst. It feels the same. Aside from that, a lot of people who are criticizing Biden are clearly rabble-rousers, another large percentage won't vote for Biden and on the same branch will vote for Trump. All of these people are loud. Thing is, those of us with good intentions do agree that Biden has made the wrong choice so far, even if this last shipment is being forced by the Republican-controlled House, so I hope you all realize this one isn't on him at least. The Gaza situation is shit. We know. It's just...we also understand that Trump will do worse. Yet every damned time we try and bring this up in much the same way you're tired of feeling as if standing up in protest of the Genocide makes you a target, we also feel the same.
Many of us also see the pattern. Of division. The sowing of seeds to split us apart. It happens every time and we keep paying for it.
Man, I just want us to come together. Get Biden into Office and keep up the momentum and push. Stand firm as one for change. For Gaza and, for once, for ourselves. Trump will never listen. Maybe Biden won't either. At least with him though we'll have four years to try. All we have to do for the first time in so damn long is stand united.
Source on this last shipment being forced on him.
There are multiple sources. Here's one:
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-house-votes-force-weapons-shipments-israel-rebuking-biden-2024-05-16/
So it passed the house, it hasn't passed the senate, and Biden can just veto it.
I get that you genocide lovers just want him to shovel as many weapons as possible at Israel until they've killed all the Palestinians, but let's not pretend for an instant that this ties Biden's hands in any way at all.
Ah now see, this is what I'm talking about. Rather than look at the story, maybe double check, recognize that there are levels and nuances that while don't excuse anything, they at least provide some reason - instead you're hiding behind Gaza again.
"Genocide lovers"? Really. I've said that we recognize, and I know I speak for all of us who are reasonable, how absolute shit that situation is and we know Biden has not been great at handling it. We are condemning the situation and his reactions up to this point because he could be doing more.
We just also see that we can condemn him and still vote him in because the alternative is an event that is likely to make that situation even worse, while also causing several other major fires to break out. This is the reality. We are stuck between a shitty deal and a genocide and we don't need to draw ultimatums. This is why I remind people and push for the other option:
Vote for Biden into a second term AND we all come together for stronger actions to stop the travesty in Gaza from continuing. Biden is already showing he'll roll over. Not a lot yet, he IS showing it. More importantly, even when the elections weren't around the corner he was shown to bend to public outcry. What we shouldn't be doing is dividing ourselves. It isn't Gaza or Trump as separate problems. Invariably it must be Gaza and Trump. They are both incredibly massive problems and we collectively have the capacity to fight on both fronts. All I'm asking is we do that. I'm tired, man, and angry, because I feel sometimes like I'm yelling for positive change into the void
With Biden we'll have four years to keep up the fight across all fronts. With Trump? I just feel we'll be silenced, and that will help no one.
The problem is I truly feel like I'm doing this alone sometimes.
I did. You're lying and pretending that Biden's hands are tied, and I explained how they very much are not.
Just shut up. Fuck
You and people just like you, Genocide lovers all. I no longer care. Every single one and I’m calling you out.
If you want to ignore my words and call me a Trump supporter, which you have straight up done in this thread, I don't see why anything you say should carry any weight at all either.
Your support for genocide is ALL you are.
If you don't want to be called out, stop arguing in bad faith and begin listening more. I'm not going to back down. Gaza is shit and Trump and his allies have been on record more than once promising to also do terrible things. We either stop Trump and continue working, or let him back into Office and have more to worry about than Ukraine and Gaza.
I tried letting my anger out. I tried being reasonable. I tried emotionally connecting and pleading. The reality is extremely simple:
The Genocide should be stopped.
Trump and the GOP should be stopped.
Not voting for Biden is helping Trump and the GOP.
There is no making assumptions here. There is no stretching the truth. Either you recognize the importance of this stance you are determined to hold, which is the Gaza Genocide to the absolute obliteration of all reason, even that which agrees with you, or by opposing Biden's reelection, BECAUSE of the situation we are in, you support Trump.
I've already agreed with you that the Genocide is terrible. I've said Biden needs to do more. I am also saying that we cannot support the ending of the situation in Gaza while also ignoring the situation in within the U.S. This election will affect the world, most of our elections do. The big difference this time is the World remembers how it was when Trump was President last time and they do not want him to be in that position again. Just like they also don't support the Genocide in Gaza.
It's both. Not one. I have laid it out. So get angry all you want, I don't give a shit. My stance is clear:
The Genocide needs to end. Biden must do more to end any support or the situation completely. Trump and the GOP must not gain the Office of the President of the United States.
Pretty simple if you peel off your angry eyebrows for a minute. Or do you want to continue calling me names?
Yes, there fucking is. I'm voting for Biden. You assumed I support Trump because and only because I don't love genocide like you and every other centrist always has and always will.
And I agreed with you that Trump is worse than Biden. You responded by calling me a trumpist.
This is my position, which I openly stated, and you replied by calling me a fucking trumpist. If you don't like it when people ignore your words and make up abhorrent positions to ascribe to you, good. Tell your genocide supporting buddies what that's like.
Still calling us "genocide lovers", even after my explanation. Bah. No good faith. Just rudeness and labels. Whatever, man. If you want to act like a MAGA Cult member by attempting to incite anger through the usage of extreme abrasiveness and offensive labeling do your thing. We're on the same page, even if you are a jackass about it.
I wouldn't be doing it if you hadn't responded to me agreeing with you by calling me a trumpist.
I was responding in kind. I was doing exactly what you did, directly quoting you in one case.
You don't like it very much, do you?
I was curious about Bobby’s views because he is in third place right now, it’s a valid question.